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In my opinion, if a breeder breeds a litter that could essentially produce an affected dog, that breeder should be doing the vetgen dna test before the pup goes to its new home. And when it goes, the test, and a printout from Vetgen on how the test results are to be read shoudl be sent along so that they new owner has that on hand when they need to have something done ie. spay...surgery....

I spent a lot of time arguing with a vet that wasted money on the Elissa test and argued to hell and back that there was no such thing as a DNA test, even hung up and refused to take my calls. I eventually prepaerd a package, and mailed it to her office. Never heard another word. I hope she at least learned something!

I don't think a new owner should have to worry about this - the breeder should.

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Originally Posted by forager View Post
My 7 y.o. male is undergoing a laparoscopic biopsy as I write this. He's been extensively treated for a grade 3 mast cell tumor: surgery, chemotherapy, numerous ultrasounds, etc. The last ultrasound concerned the oncologist, who recommended a biopsy, as the liver--a likely spot for metastasis--was mildly enlarged. So the procedure was started.
Because of a foulup on the outside lab's part, the von Willebrand results were not ready at the time of surgery. The surgeon and internist decided to proceed, as Soames has had other surgeries with no clotting issues and Pt/Ptt levels were normal.
He was put under anesthesia, immediately after which the outside lab came in with the von Willebrand results. His level was "low"--21, I believe. The internist did not mention "carrier", only that he had a low level.
The internist said that she would be comfortable going ahead with the procedure only if we agreed to let them give him Cryoprecipitate and a plasma-related medication to protect him from bleeding. We agreed, our knowledge limited to what we were told.
I just read this thread in the hospital lobby, and have a lot of questions for the internist when this is over. I apologize for the lack of precision in this posting. I'm don't know the relevant terms. And it happened fast.
We want to find out what precautions and/or tests are in order, given this test result. If this posting is too far buried in this thread to elicit responses, I'll start a new thread.
I would go to VetGen - Veterinary Genetic Services print out the informatino and bring it to your vet and internist. I'd ask for my money back on the ELISA test if that is what they did. It is inaccurate for Dobermans and a waste of money.

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correction on von Willebrand factor level

Correction: Soames' von Willebrand level was 14, not 22.
I appreciate all the comments. Soames is doing very well, 2nd day pre-op.
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sorry I have been meaning to write everyone that commented on here, I took Minka to another vet last week and they spayed her with no questions asked. I will say this Vet was an older Vet with a lot of experience. And she is doing great goes back tomorrow morning to get her stitches taken out. and the kicker she did it for under $200.
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Originally Posted by Murreydobe View Post
I really think it all comes down to the roll of the dice, as far as which bitches develop spay incontinence and which don't. I've owned three who had the problem (out of a life filled with many spayed bitches here), and all three of them were spayed as mature adults.
Agree. 2/5 of our bitches developed spay incontinence, the 2 that did were spayed at 4 years old, the other 3 that didn't were spayed at 6 months, 6 months and 12 months. One of the bitches spayed at 4 also developed very bad mammary cancer, so we got a double whammy

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Really, I don't trust those "lab" blood work tests at all.

Before the Vet Gen came out, we used to run club testing. All that was asked was to send the pedigree back to some vet school who was studying this disease.

Well the dogs I had at the time, not related to those now, came back very low.

Just after that, the Vet Gen tests came out. Guess what, they came back clear by Vet Gen to this disease.

I think alot of the test results depends on how the samples were handled stored etc.

Another thing:

I get very tired of these vets taking advantage of folks who don't know any better. They prey upon folks. This is not right.

Go to a vet who knows the breed. I can't state that enough. Phone your local Speciality Club and see who in town knows this breed.

Vet school does not teach this stuff. And some vets think they know everything...like the vet I used once who would only see my dog with a muzzle on.
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Originally Posted by Justbo1901 View Post
sorry I have been meaning to write everyone that commented on here, I took Minka to another vet last week and they spayed her with no questions asked. I will say this Vet was an older Vet with a lot of experience. And she is doing great goes back tomorrow morning to get her stitches taken out. and the kicker she did it for under $200.
I am glad things worked out for you!
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