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Possible neck problems

Griff's refusing to take food from my hand, and he's yelping in pain when he moves sometimes. I'm pretty sure it's his neck, he doesn't want me to touch there, and with the balance problems he's been having, I'm worried. Hoping it's just from rough play with Little Dog, but we'll see. He even turned down roast beef and for a dog who split a tooth in half without crying in pain about it, this has me a little freaked out.

Something like this I'm not going to delay a vet visit, and we're off to the vet in about a half hour. We could use some good thoughts.
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Poor Griff, I'm sure the vet will get down to the bottom of this. Lets hope its something as simple as a strain, and nothing too complicated like a fracture or wobblers

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Something like this I'm not going to delay a vet visit, and we're off to the vet in about a half hour. We could use some good thoughts.
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It's not the best news. Griff's vet thinks it's either Wobblers or disc disease. Best case, it's a slipped disc and can be treated with anti-inflammatories and rest. I don't know about the worst case right now.

We've got an appointment with the neurologist on Thursday, and the tech there was going on about diagnostics and MRIs, and by the way, that could cost a couple thousand, but you need to do the in depth exam first before we start going on about anything else- so right now, I'm just going one step at a time. She was very nice, but it was a real dizzying list of things to hear. Whatever Griff needs, I'll figure out a way to get it done. It's just overwhelming going from a dog who was his normal self yesterday morning to this. He's only 6.

Griff's pretty happy with his pain meds right now, he passed out on the couch. I'll keep updating this thread and let you all know what's going on. And yeah, I'm glad I didn't wait. For something like this, don't wait, just go to the vet. Mine gave me a list of things to look out for- balance problems, tripping, weakness in the front end, pain- that will require an emergency vet. Otherwise, Griff's on crate rest till Thursday, which I don't think he'll mind.

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I am so sorry to hear that. Hoping for the best possible outcome. Having been through Wobblers with my first dobe, I know what it can be like to deal with.
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Fingers and paws crossed for you. In February of 2010 Flirt had a Wobbler's scare. Most signs pointed to it. We did pred and pain meds for a week without much improvement so went to neurologist. The MRI with 2 views and spinal tap and exam was just under $3,000. HOWEVER, NO WOBBLER'S She had blood leaking into her spinal fulid, which isn't horribly common and the symptoms mimic wobblers. There are a few other things which also haev similar symptoms. Hope you get as lucky as we did. She recovered 100%.

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Hope Griff's problem is something temporary. I started a thread about my gal being diagnosed:
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in case you might want to read about our case which sounds difft from yours. Hoping for a quick recovery for your Griff.

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PLEASE do the cold laser therapy on him, it will WORK . I have see it do wonders for dogs with disc disease and wobbler's. Steriod's will only Mask a problem and can cause liver damage.
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I'll look into treatment options once I talk to the neurologist tomorrow. Griff had a good night, slept straight through, is eating, and he's comfortable right now. No yelping. Tramadol's some good stuff, even if it does make him a bit loopy.
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It's not the best news. Griff's vet thinks it's either Wobblers or disc disease. Best case, it's a slipped disc and can be treated with anti-inflammatories and rest. I don't know about the worst case right now.

We've got an appointment with the neurologist on Thursday, and the tech there was going on about diagnostics and MRIs, and by the way, that could cost a couple thousand, but you need to do the in depth exam first before we start going on about anything else- so right now, I'm just going one step at a time. She was very nice, but it was a real dizzying list of things to hear. Whatever Griff needs, I'll figure out a way to get it done. It's just overwhelming going from a dog who was his normal self yesterday morning to this. He's only 6.

Griff's pretty happy with his pain meds right now, he passed out on the couch. I'll keep updating this thread and let you all know what's going on. And yeah, I'm glad I didn't wait. For something like this, don't wait, just go to the vet. Mine gave me a list of things to look out for- balance problems, tripping, weakness in the front end, pain- that will require an emergency vet. Otherwise, Griff's on crate rest till Thursday, which I don't think he'll mind.

Thank you all for the good thoughts- DT is great to lean on when something like this happens and I wanted to say how much I appreciate you all.
Well, crap, so sorry to hear this. I am sending huge vibes to y'all.

I'm also sympathetic about the financial hardships and sacrifices you may soon face--believe me, I know what it's like to have a young, seemingly healthy dog one minute, and one that will cost tens of thousands, the next.

I will give a shout out for a good dog chiro, here--see if you can discuss that as one of your options when you get to that point in the exams/diagnostic process.

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I'll look into treatment options once I talk to the neurologist tomorrow. Griff had a good night, slept straight through, is eating, and he's comfortable right now. No yelping. Tramadol's some good stuff, even if it does make him a bit loopy.
So glad to hear he's got some temporary relief while all this gets sorted out.

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I'm sorry to hear this. Glad he is comfortable right now and sending good vibes and good luck for tomorrow's visit!
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Sad to hear about River, please keep us posted. My 6yr Dobie is showing similar symptoms.
I'm taking shadow to the vet this weekend =(.

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I just got Griffin home from the vet. She suspects Wobblers, after doing a neuro exam and going off symptoms. But there's no 100 percent way to know for sure without an MRI. It could be a slipped disc, which will heal with meds and rest. Breed plus symptoms plus the neuro exam results though, add up. The vet isn't going to do the knee-jerk reaction and say yes it's Wobblers, she's gone over other possible things it could be too. She was happy with how he's doing right now and that he's responding to meds.

However, because he's doing so well now and he responded so well to the medications, we're going with a more conservative two weeks of enforced bed rest and medications to see if it heals. He's not allowed to play with other dogs, no stairs, no jumping onto furniture, I'll be elevating food bowls, and no running for 4-6 weeks. He will also be on harnesses for life- no more collars. Time to go get a no pull harness, he did a great sled dog impression in the vet's office today on his harness. Since I'm still on crutches myself, that won't work!

I've also got some recommendations for alternative medicine type care. So I will be looking into those, and also monitoring Griffin to see if the meds are working. We're going to re-evaluate in two weeks, if he doesn't improve, my next step is the MRI. Eventual surgery is something I need to think about, and prepare for. The vet's sending me a full report of the exam this evening, I'll post again with more info from that.
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I'm sorry to hear this, but it sounds like you have a good plan in place. Keep us posted!

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I just got Griffin home from the vet. She suspects Wobblers, after doing a neuro exam and going off symptoms. But there's no 100 percent way to know for sure without an MRI. It could be a slipped disc, which will heal with meds and rest. Breed plus symptoms plus the neuro exam results though, add up. The vet isn't going to do the knee-jerk reaction and say yes it's Wobblers, she's gone over other possible things it could be too. She was happy with how he's doing right now and that he's responding to meds.

However, because he's doing so well now and he responded so well to the medications, we're going with a more conservative two weeks of enforced bed rest and medications to see if it heals. He's not allowed to play with other dogs, no stairs, no jumping onto furniture, I'll be elevating food bowls, and no running for 4-6 weeks. He will also be on harnesses for life- no more collars. Time to go get a no pull harness, he did a great sled dog impression in the vet's office today on his harness. Since I'm still on crutches myself, that won't work!

I've also got some recommendations for alternative medicine type care. So I will be looking into those, and also monitoring Griffin to see if the meds are working. We're going to re-evaluate in two weeks, if he doesn't improve, my next step is the MRI. Eventual surgery is something I need to think about, and prepare for. The vet's sending me a full report of the exam this evening, I'll post again with more info from that.
Oh gosh, I had missed that you're on crutches now--me too <cyber-high-five>

Makes crises THAT much more fun to deal with, does it not?

I'm sorry to hear of the potential diagnosis, but your vet sounds good, and it does sound like a good plan.

Will continue to send huge vibage, hopefully it's merely an injury and will heal just fine.




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Yeah, I am- fractured my tib/fib in July and am looking at a possible second surgery on it that I'll find out about next week. <cyber high 5 back at you>

I love this vet. She's not the type to jump to conclusions based on breed and she's not set on 100 percent 'traditional' methods. Griff is doing very well right now, brought me a toy and wagging his nubbin like crazy. I think the new med combo is working, and I also hope it's just an injury that will resolve with meds and rest.
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If your doc rules out Wobblers, you might try a chiro appointment and see if that helps.


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Yeah, that and I've heard people have had good results with acupuncture. Here's what the vet sent in her summary:

Likely mid to caudal cervical myelopathy with primary differentials being disc extrusion/protrusion and/or caudal cervical instability (Wobblers) causing spinal cord compression. Other, less likely, differentials include immune mediated, infectious, canal or cord malformations, and tumors/neoplasias.

Summary of other stuff- she did notice additional minor wear on the nails on the right leg, he's a bit bow legged in the back, and he doesn't put as much weight on the right front. I'm going to continue with the meds, but I think I am looking at an MRI if he doesn't improve in two weeks. She did emphasize meds and exercise restrictions as a way to manage it, because Griff did respond very well to Tramadol. His other med is Gabapentin, which is for nerve based pain. Some of the restrictions will be life-long, but that's ok, I can do that easily and Griff is so easy-going he'll be alright with it too. I'm glad, after reading what the vet wrote, that this is something he can live with comfortably for a while.

So that's where we're at right now. He's still comfortable, not entirely liking the being confined to a room thing, but he's got a comfy bed and some stuffed toys to mess with. I'm working on ideas for gentle activities he can do so he doesn't get too bored. Unfortunately, because he has to have raised bowls and no stress on his neck, that cuts a lot of toys out. I think I'll move his bed under the window so he can watch outside and bark at the neighbor's dog. It's one of his favorite things, and I don't even bother to clean the nose prints off anymore. It's sort of like watching TV, and that and books was what got me through 2 months of bed rest.
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And we're still doing good. He can't bark, though, tipping his head that far back makes him yelp even on the drugs. That's the only sign of pain he's had since starting the drugs. Griff's got more energy, isn't moving as stiffly, and has started shaking himself off again after coming in from outside.

It's good progress.
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