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I will share an experience of meeting another Dobe owner at a park.

I am sure that my look of horror equaled hers.

Her dog was morbidly, I mean really embrace the word "morbidly," obese.

Kylie was actively doing agility at the time, and was quite fit.

I got a comment, as Ky raced thru a tunnel and jumped a bank, about how you could catch a glimpse of ribs.

Meanwhile, this other person's dog plodded painfully by her side, panting and struggling to breathe on the slight incline, then--clearly uncomfortable--collapsed at her feet, "needing a rest," from a less than one hundred yards walk.

As Kylie bounced and raced around, a look of joy on her crazy Doberface, I thought about how much the fat dog's owner "loved" him.

And I got looked at as though my dog was at death's door, because she was lean and fit.




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Why does it seem that there are more fat labs than any other breed? I swear....every lab I see is overweight!
I think it's partly because they are born with extra fat to keep them warm in the icy waters around Newfoundland and Nova Scotia....and well, they're also a bit gluttenous, and happy eat anything offered . Whenever I see an in-shape Lab I know I'm seeing a rare sight! Of course, seeing a svelte Pug is also a rare thing .

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When i was talking to Chase's previous owner, I pointed it out that he was overweight. The owner was shocked and said 'I dont think so, he looks buff to me'.

Once Chase was in my care, he started his diet, much to his dislike lol.

At 42kg, 6 cups of kibble a DAY:



Trying to suck in his gut XD:


At 40kg, 5 cups a day:


Little tuck:


At 39kg, 4 cups a day:


Cant really see the tuck, but at least its not hanging below his coat!


And these were taken yesterday, at 38kg, 3 cups a day. In my opinion this is great weight for him:


No flabby belly, see a few ribs, and lean muscles:


Sorry for all the pics, i know this thread was just a rant, but i wanted to share Chase's year long struggle with his weight lol

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Chase looks awesome and very fit in those last pictures. Good for you for getting him down to a good weight.


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Chase looks awesome and very fit in those last pictures. Good for you for getting him down to a good weight.
Agreed, good for you for not only realizing it, but admitting it and then doing something about it. He looks fantastic now.

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Rocket (75 lbs), Noodle (6 lbs), and Allie (52 lbs) are all usually 2+. Yes, you read that right - my LAB is a 2+. LOL.

I'm trying to get Rocket to put some weight on. At 2 1/2 he should weigh more - I shouldn't see all of his ribs, spine, and hips. I changed his food and it seems to be helping.

Right now Ruby is a little on the hefty side - probably a 3+. She's gained weight since I'm not training her a ton lately. I've increased her exercise and switched her food and it appears to be working.


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Quick question - I have noticed that my girl has never lost the wrinkles at the base of her neck right below where her collar sits. If she is standing attentively they are not there. Looking at a lot of these pictured it appears to be the norm. Is that correct to assume? Other than that, she appears to sit at a three. 10 months under 70 pounds, not sure on current height.
The wrinkles behind the shoulder can be the result of neck assembly into the shoulders also and not extra weight per se. and it's relatively common in the breed too. Great Neck/fronts are hard to find.

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Ohio State University's College of Veterinary Medicine has good side and overhead body scoring charts for dogs AND cats:

1 = Emaciated
Ribs, lumbar vertebrae, pelvic bones and all body prominences evident from a distance. No discernible body fat. Obvious absence of muscle mass.



2 = Thin
Ribs easily palpated and may be visible with no palpable fat. Tops of lumbar vertebrae visible. Pelvic bones less prominent. Obvious waist and abdominal tuck.



3 = Moderate
Ribs palpable without excess fat covering. Abdomen tucked up when viewed from side.



4 = Stout
General fleshy appearance. Ribs palpable with difficulty. Noticeable fat deposits over lumbar spine and tail base. Abdominal tuck may be absent.



5 = Obese

Large fat deposits over chest, spine and tail base. Waist and abdominal tuck absent. Fat deposits on neck and limbs. Abdomen distended.



**All of the above is courtesy of Ohio State University College of Veterinary Medicine** Body Condition Scoring Chart | College of Veterinary Medicine
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Zeusy Boy's Mama, thanks for sharing the illustrations from Ohio State University, I too think it's a really good example!

DogsR4Life- I love the last picture of Chase you posted, great example of good weight on a Doberman. However I think he carries his weight differently and has less natural tuck up than most Dobermans, so that tuck up/silhouette probably wouldn't be good for most Dobermans. I just wanted to point this out for people who are trying to learn about correct weight- don't take it the wrong way because he's a really handsome guy!

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Zeusy Boy's Mama, thanks for sharing the illustrations from Ohio State University, I too think it's a really good example!

DogsR4Life- I love the last picture of Chase you posted, great example of good weight on a Doberman. However I think he carries his weight differently and has less natural tuck up than most Dobermans, so that tuck up/silhouette probably wouldn't be good for most Dobermans. I just wanted to point this out for people who are trying to learn about correct weight- don't take it the wrong way because he's a really handsome guy!
I actually thought he had quite a distinct tuckup but flank flaps that obscure the actual abdominal view. But I could be wrong, my eyesight isn't as good as it once was. I think he has a nice silhouette in that last photo. The dobe shouldn't have a herring waist, there should be evidence of strength thru the abdomen with a firm tuckup that is not overdone.

Another note for people wanting to learn: The statement about dobes looking "poured into their skin" is nice for the show ring but indicates a layer of fat covering every bone - which is more than we ideally want in our companions and athletes.


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I got some up above pictures. I'm pretty happy with Wyatt's weight...I worked pretty hard to get him where he is, and poor guy is starving.


I don't think Josie looks horrible from this angle...I can see some ribs from the side standing still, and almost all when moving, but I can't get her to stand still from the side for a picture. I think she could stand to lose a few, but she is down to 72lbs now.

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I actually thought he had quite a distinct tuckup but flank flaps that obscure the actual abdominal view. But I could be wrong, my eyesight isn't as good as it once was. I think he has a nice silhouette in that last photo. The dobe shouldn't have a herring waist, there should be evidence of strength thru the abdomen with a firm tuckup that is not overdone.

Another note for people wanting to learn: The statement about dobes looking "poured into their skin" is nice for the show ring but indicates a layer of fat covering every bone - which is more than we ideally want in our companions and athletes.
Looking back, I think you're right- I'm blaming the slope/position he's standing in for throwing me off I think it was a good point to make though- that an individual's conformation can have a large effect on how a dogs weight looks, so it's important to understand other ways to judge weight than just how the Doberman silhouette "should" look (a dog might only have a gorgeous chest when overweight, or only have a tuck up if underweight.) I just picked a bad example...

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Another note for people wanting to learn: The statement about dobes looking "poured into their skin" is nice for the show ring but indicates a layer of fat covering every bone - which is more than we ideally want in our companions and athletes.
That's interesting. I always thought it meant no wrinkles, not a layer of fat. But a nice solid dog that flows from heat to toe without any "bumps" or things that catch your eye (like a not so great front or topline). I had no idea it meant a layer of fat.

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DogsR4Life, good on ya, for getting Chase looking great.

Megan, darlin', you know I love you, and this comes back to what we were saying about finding the right words...but both Wyatt and Outlaw Jo look a tiny bit zaftig to me.

Maybe they would not if I saw them in person--the camera can "add pounds" to a certain extent, as we humans always complain, but they look a tad heavy in your photos, to me.

That said, I don't think Abby started the thread to try to give us "eating disorder" thinking about our dogs--it's a fine line and takes developing an "eye" for that ideal weight, I think.

And, I probably should say, should have said before, that Kylie is fat as a hog in my sig pic--that was about a month after I got her, still emaciated even though she'd been in rescue three weeks--and I'd poured the calories to her and it was all still kinda lumpy suet, and not built into muscle yet




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Great thread. Our dogs weight is something we all should be aware of. Baron is a definite 3. He always runs between 82.5 pounds to 84.5 pounds. I prefer him at 82.5 but right now he is 84.5 due to Pennsylvania weather sucking all the time. Need to keep his weight low because of the DCM. Also, my regular vet is a real stickler about overweight dogs. He goes into "fits" when dogs come in overweight. So certainly do not want to incur his wrath when we have to come in for a visit!
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Great thread. Our dogs weight is something we all should be aware of. Baron is a definite 3. He always runs between 82.5 pounds to 84.5 pounds. I prefer him at 82.5 but right now he is 84.5 due to Pennsylvania weather sucking all the time. Need to keep his weight low because of the DCM. Also, my regular vet is a real stickler about overweight dogs. He goes into "fits" when dogs come in overweight. So certainly do not want to incur his wrath when we have to come in for a visit!
I wish I could go give your vet a big pat on the back, for being a stickler.

I HATE how so many vets are afraid to offend clients, and won't really address the issue about the overweight patients they see daily.




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I think Indy is between a 2 and 3. He weighs 75 lbs.




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Here's a couple more recent pics from this summer. I think he was between 73 and 74 lbs here.




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It's all good...I don't get upset at anyone for saying my dogs (or even myself!) are overweight. I've gotten Wyatt from 103 to 92 and Josie from 79 to 73...so we are working on it.

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Asha is too young to be fat...
Thanks for sharing, you have a beautiful pair, but I had to respond- I hope you don't actually think there's an age that a dog can't be fat, or that you're implying it's allowable for a puppy to be chubby. I don't know where it was posted, but I liked that someone said young dogs may LOOK "heavier" because they have so much skin (among other reasons as well) but it's as important to keep puppies at an appropriate weight as it is our older dogs. Maybe I misunderstood


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Hmmm I'm looking at pics and wondering if I have Gemma too slender...seems she has a more defined tuck then others..But I am my worst critic...and she's only 10mo old What do you experts think? First pic she has her back legs on a walking stone so she's a little wonky looking in the back

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I think Gemma would be right at a 3, and her "more defined tuck" is exactly what I was pointing out earlier about how a dogs conformation may make it more difficult to judge their weight, if comparing to other dogs. I think she simply naturally has more tuck than other dogs. Let me post a picture of Vegas, maybe you can see how much tuck SHE has, because if anyone else here tried to make their dog have the sort of tuck she does... well, that might not be a very appropriate weight for their dogs

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, because if anyone else here tried to make their dog have the sort of tuck she does... well, that might not be a very appropriate weight for their dogs
It's the opposite for Avril. She has no tuck up, she could be a one or a two and still have very little tuck up. So when she looks fat, she looks REALLY fat.

Seven and Jessie are both 3s. Avril is lacking muscle right now, so she looks fatter. But she's between a 3 and a 4.
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Thanks Abby! I got a lot of that is the most skinniest dog I have ever seen, which is usually followed up by a disgusted look. But then again these are usually the same people dragging/carrying their grossly overweight dogs. Sometimes I really wonder why they are at the park! LOL carrying your dog....
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Thanks Abby! I got a lot of that is the most skinniest dog I have ever seen, which is usually followed up by a disgusted look. But then again these are usually the same people dragging/carrying their grossly overweight dogs. Sometimes I really wonder why they are at the park! LOL carrying your dog....
Here's the two examples I have for Vegas, this "figure" really wouldn't be appropriate for most Dobermans, but it's the correct weight for her. If we were competing, for example, in agility like many of the people who have posted I'm sure we would have more weight off of her, but I'd say she's at a 3 right now.





This picture of her standing on a rock was several days into a backpacking trip, so she was probably a little thinner than she usually is, I like that weight on her.

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