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Baron's first day at home! OMG -

Well, I started the thread "How much food is TOO much food, so I have to update you that helped me so much.

He IS HUGE! 30" tall, 38" chest, 32" "waist" (rather, not a tuck or rib to be found.) Oh yea, and he IS 120 pounds!

I have a few questions, and didn't know where to post them. Remember, I adopted him and he's 3 1/2 yrs.

1) He does NOT walk on a leash - he dragged me 30' yesterday on the way home when I let him out on a leash to pee.
2) does "come" as he is already glued to me, but I have a hard time getting him to look at me. If I am giving a command. Other wise, his head is tucked under my arm for petting.
3) gave him only 2 cups (rather than 3) of his regular "Ol Roy" (gives me the willies) and added some green eans and sliced carrots. Wouldn't eat it, and so I got ants!


Should I let him settle in for a bit - he did make friends with the Dane - then work on commands? I immediately taught him to sit and stay and let me out the door or gate first. He got that pretty well.

But he outweighs me by 20 lbs, and 120 pounds of Dobe pulling on the choke collar isn't my cup of tea.

I don't have much money, but I think an obedience class might be in order? My first Dobe learned everything in 3 days, so I might be expecting too much, too soon. Plus, that fat doesn't seem to slow him down at all! LOL

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Congrats on having Baron at home!! So he really is that big eh. I think you will need to give him some time to settle into your home before you try to do some training. I wish you both well!!



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Yes give him a little time to settle.

You can try steaming the veggies in a little chicken broth to make them more appealing to him.

Have you thought about gaining a few pounds to even things up?
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Gosh, he must have come from one of the "bigger is better" commercial breeders! Why the carrots and green beans? Just transition him to the food of your choice and the amt of your choice and don't worry about "filling him up." You're gonna be using treats for training anyway so he'll be more eager to work for food if he's a little hungry. Bless you for giving him a forever home.
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Yes give him a little time to settle.

You can try steaming the veggies in a little chicken broth to make them more appealing to him.

Have you thought about gaining a few pounds to even things up?
ROFLMAO! It took me three months to lose 20!

I will say, in one day, he has learned to sit and wait so I can go through the door fist, as well as the yard gate. He comes when he cannot see me, and if I whisper "come" he can hear it and does so.
"Leave it" is still a work in progress because I have 3 indoor cats. 1 I haven't seen all day! LOL

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Gosh, he must have come from one of the "bigger is better" commercial breeders! Why the carrots and green beans? Just transition him to the food of your choice and the amt of your choice and don't worry about "filling him up." You're gonna be using treats for training anyway so he'll be more eager to work for food if he's a little hungry. Bless you for giving him a forever home.
I used carrots as a treat for my other dog. I learned that while working at Best Friends - a healthier alternative. Why I did this, is because I cut his food by more than 1/3 rd, and added the beans and carrots to transition him into a PMR diet, or a better food.

I don't feel bad at all about cutting his food back - he's still full from last year!

I love him so much already - in one day we've bonded and he got to run at full blast around the ranch for a hour! He'd always been on a long rope because they had no yard. He had a ball.

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Sounds like his life has already improved in a few days!! You have done a wonderful thing by taking this boy!!



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I'm so broke right now (Social Security doesn't go far) that until my credit card payment goes through, I'll have to do the best with what they gave me. He is a male, and played like crazy with the male Great Dane here this morning - who couldn't keep up and eventually went to his house.
I taught my first Dobe (A rescue) by using Ceasear Milan's techniques, and the 4 days I worked with her lasted her entire life. There were those times, when we had to discuss the rules again. But that dog was NEVER yelled at, spanked, locked in a bathroom, nothing. I don't train horses that way, and I don't train dogs that way.

I am taking him to my OUTSTANDING VET to do an exam, plan a weigh-in schedule, get him a new micro chip (I don't care for the type he has), rabies shots, if I can afford all of this. Because I live on an enclosed 3 acres, I don't worry about the chip as he hasn't left my side. And, my vet will just let me come and buy a wormer without seeing him.

So, with $138 left for the month, we are both making do.

No, she didn't say where she got him, she was crying so hard, I didn't push it - and, he is here, so papers, scmapers - don't care about anything but his obedience, happiness, and health.

And I measured him from point of shoulder to ground - just like you do a horse

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My Experience is that dogs coming into new homes need a couple of days to relax. When I got my dog from a shelter, she did eat very reluctantly for a couple of days. That is ok. Who knows how he develops lateron, maybe he becomes the biggest green bean and carrot eater ever ;-)

I think you can start with a relaxed training at home (I understand you are already doing that) but I wouldnīt overdo it. Give the dog a couple of weeks to relax and to bond with you. Regarding the attention toward you: Maybe he is still to confused, overwhelmed or too insecure to look at you. You will find that out later, maybe you need to work on his attention in the future, maybe not.

And then: I personally think one cannot do enough obedience classes. Itīs good for such a lot of things, apart from the obedience itīs also socializing with other dogs and itīs obedience in an unknown environment and so on.

And then: hey, this guy sounds like fun. I wish you all the best :-)
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I sure hope so. Everything, and everyone, deserves a good life.

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My Experience is that dogs coming into new homes need a couple of days to relax. When I got my dog from a shelter, she did eat very reluctantly for a couple of days. That is ok. Who knows how he develops lateron, maybe he becomes the biggest green bean and carrot eater ever ;-)

I think you can start with a relaxed training at home (I understand you are already doing that) but I wouldnīt overdo it. Give the dog a couple of weeks to relax and to bond with you. Regarding the attention toward you: Maybe he is still to confused, overwhelmed or too insecure to look at you. You will find that out later, maybe you need to work on his attention in the future, maybe not.

And then: I personally think one cannot do enough obedience classes. Itīs good for such a lot of things, apart from the obedience itīs also socializing with other dogs and itīs obedience in an unknown environment and so on.

And then: hey, this guy sounds like fun. I wish you all the best :-)
Thanks, Violet! Um, I guess I thought starting on the minor stuff in the house would at least show my pack leadership. Then, when he goes outside the yard, it's all for him! But in one day, I got his attention - every "Come" got a huge response of lovin' and he glowed in it!

I've never done obedience, but it was hope dream with my last Dobe to be a Therapy Dog - sadly, she died too early for us to start the training.
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You sound over the moon.

I know that feeling and I hope you keep it running strong for at least another 10 years with him. He sounds terrific and typical of the first few days except you already have his attention - score!!


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You sound over the moon.

I know that feeling and I hope you keep it running strong for at least another 10 years with him. He sounds terrific and typical of the first few days except you already have his attention - score!!
I am! He's so sweet, has pretty good body space, and yes, is overweight, but tall! Oh that sounds like an excuse ("Oh, but I can carry an extra 40 #)
Is that a good thing to get his attention this quickly? He doesn't know his name yet, he can't spell very well, but he runs around like he's never been able to - then he goes to sleep on his binkie,(the one his mommy gave me) and sighs.

I pray I have him for as long as I can - I'll steal to feed him, to vet him, whatever.

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So very happy Baron is in his new home with you. Sounds like you are bonding already. Looking forward to updates on his progress and pictures. Thanks again so much for giving him a chance.
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Congrats on your new boy! I can tell you're already in love!
What is it about the microchip you don't like? Most companies allow you to register other chips with them. Quinn has a 24hr pet watch chip. I am more comfortable with Home Again, so I had his chipped registered with them. he gets all the same benefits as my other animals.
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Thanks! Today, he glued himself to me like most Dobes - had to hear many repeats of "Leave it!", but he's getting it. Won't let me out of his site, then the silly Corgi taught him how to run up and down the pasture fence and bark at the horses. Bad Dog! Hasn't been anything but quiet, energetic, and learning quickly.

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Yes, we're in mutual love - my horses nose is a bit out of joint!

He has ResQ, but I cannot re-register him as he lost it dragging me through the grass on his first pee stop going home! I am used to Home Again, so maybe I can try to register the code on his ResQ paperwork to HA.
I have to take him to me vet ($$$$ I don't have) and at least get a blood panel and Rabies if needed. He also has a spot on his leg that better not be MANGE! And what looks to be wrinkles on his elbow - It looks like "concrete bed" syndrome, but you never know.

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It sounds like you're both having a blast!

When I've given Elka carrots and green beans, it was first as treats. Well, First first, I was eating them, and she was pressed against me, clearly going "Well, what do you have? Can I have some of that?" Then I would give them as treats (though they don't work as on-a-walk treats, just in-the-house treats), because she's assigned a value to them. I don't know if that will help, and I definitely second (or third or fifth) switching him to a better food as soon as you're able! Though I can tell that you share my (our) disgust for Ol' Roy.

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Is that a good thing to get his attention this quickly? He doesn't know his name yet, he can't spell very well, but he runs around like he's never been able to - then he goes to sleep on his binkie,(the one his mommy gave me) and sighs.

I pray I have him for as long as I can - I'll steal to feed him, to vet him, whatever.
Yes it is terrific to get his attention this quickly. That makes the world of difference with this breed in training. If he sees you as being his idol on this planet, then he will look to you for guidance, play, love and boundaries. Way to go!

He can be taught his name by using a tiny treat - say his name and give him a treat at the same time - repeat 5,000 times - spread it out over a couple of months. I stopped at around 1500 treats with Enid. Now all I have to do is whisper her name and her head flips around and she locks onto me - not necessarily obedient, but I can get her attention easily and she knows her name. I used regular kibble and planned to use 50/day - filled a half gallon jar up and counted how many were in it (1 cup contains 100 pieces, each jar contains 8 cups therefore 5000 = 6.25 jars - (I did 2 jars all told)).

I also made sure I used different "voices" and speeds and degrees of happiness when I said her name - high register, low register, etc. Anyone can call her name now and she responds.


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It sounds like you're both having a blast!

When I've given Elka carrots and green beans, it was first as treats. Well, First first, I was eating them, and she was pressed against me, clearly going "Well, what do you have? Can I have some of that?" Then I would give them as treats (though they don't work as on-a-walk treats, just in-the-house treats), because she's assigned a value to them. I don't know if that will help, and I definitely second (or third or fifth) switching him to a better food as soon as you're able! Though I can tell that you share my (our) disgust for Ol' Roy.
That's how Buffy told me she'd like one - saw me feeding baby carrots to my horse, and looked at me like, "May I have one of those please????" And that was it - she'd sit at the frig, hoping I was going to exit with carrots!

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Yes it is terrific to get his attention this quickly. That makes the world of difference with this breed in training. If he sees you as being his idol on this planet, then he will look to you for guidance, play, love and boundaries. Way to go! Yes, today he decided that I was "The One" - looked at me with adoration, which I deserve, and trust, which I will earn.
He can be taught his name by using a tiny treat - say his name and give him a treat at the same time - repeat 5,000 times - ROFLMAO!!! spread it out over a couple of months. I stopped at around 1500 treats with Enid. Now all I have to do is whisper her name and her head flips around and she locks onto me - not necessarily obedient, but I can get her attention easily and she knows her name. I used regular kibble and planned to use 50/day - filled a half gallon jar up and counted how many were in it (1 cup contains 100 pieces, each jar contains 8 cups therefore 5000 = 6.25 jars - (I did 2 jars all told)). My other dog came with a good name, so she already knew it, but never in a nice tone.
I also made sure I used different "voices" and speeds and degrees of happiness when I said her name - high register, low register, etc. Anyone can call her name now and she responds.
It used to tickle the hell outta me by using different tones - happy BUFFY and she went bonkers. Low, quiet "buffy" and she looked guilty.

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