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Baron's Holter Results

Well, his holter results were not as good as I wanted. All numbers increased from last time. 259 singles VPC's compared to 116 from 2017; 5 couples compared to 3 last time; but at least no runs. He did have a lot more Single Supraventricular Ectopics. 229 compared to 19; 1 couplet compared to none last time; with 1 SVT episode.

I am a little disappointed but his meds will stay the same.

Waiting for Dr. G. to call me so we can talk about it. I always feel better talking to him.


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Well, his holter results were not as good as I wanted. All numbers increased from last time. 259 singles VPC's compared to 116 from 2017; 5 couples compared to 3 last time; but at least no runs. He did have a lot more Single Supraventricular Ectopics. 229 compared to 19; 1 couplet compared to none last time; with 1 SVT episode.

I am a little disappointed but his meds will stay the same.

Waiting for Dr. G. to call me so we can talk about it. I always feel better talking to him.

Sorry to hear about the disappointing results, but I know Baron is in good hands.


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Sorry to hear about the disappointing results, but I know Baron is in good hands.
I know. I am a little bummed out but he is 11.5 and still acting his same old self so that is a good thing!
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Hopefully Dr. G will make you feel a little better. You are doing an amazing job with Baron's care.
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I'm sorry to read this, too. What you have done and are doing with Baron serves as a beacon for the rest of us, lest we have to go through similar with any of ours in the future.
Hoping the very best for you and Baron.
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I'm sorry to hear that his test results are not what you had hoped they would be, but it is good news that he is feeling well enough to keep up his normal activity. That is the take-away here...he is comfortable and you guys can enjoy your time together.
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Sorry to hear this as I just got mine back for Drago and its not as good as I was hoping.... You and Baron are in my prayers !!
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Sorry to hear this as I just got mine back for Drago and its not as good as I was hoping.... You and Baron are in my prayers !!
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I'm sorry about the numbers being higher on his holter, but I'm glad that Baron is being his usual self - that's encouraging, and he's fortunate to have you; you're also an inspiration to the rest of us! Sending you tons of positive vibes!!!
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Sorry to hear that Baron's numbers are elevated Dax -

I do have a question , What do's this mean : He did have a lot more Single Supraventricular Ectopics ? Or should I look it up ?

Thanks - just trying to understand more about DMC

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Last Post - Baron 11/23/2006 - 1/14/2019

This will be the last post for Baron's DCM thread. But, just wanted to post his last echo and last holter for future people coming on to see our journey with this horrible disease and know that there is hope for a longer life with early detection. The echo and holter (5 hours) were done on the day he went to the Bridge:







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I have to wonder how often a Doberman has died while wearing a holter - have you spoken to your cardiologist?

Thank you for posting this - I know it had to take a toll emotionally. Keep reminding yourself that Baron had a good long life and that he knew he was loved till the very end. It does not keep you from grieving, but it has to be a comfort to know that he benefited so much from everything you did for him.

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I have to wonder how often a Doberman has died while wearing a holter - have you spoken to your cardiologist?

Thank you for posting this - I know it had to take a toll emotionally. Keep reminding yourself that Baron had a good long life and that he knew he was loved till the very end. It does not keep you from grieving, but it has to be a comfort to know that he benefited so much from everything you did for him.

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Thanks so much Mary Jo. Yes, I did speak at length with both Dr. Goodwin and the tech, Kristie, who has read all of Baron's holters. Kristie said that in the 16+ years she has been doing this job, they only had 3 others that were wearing the holter when they passed. Dr. G. reassured me there was nothing we could have done. The echo indicated he was throwing PVC's but not as bad as the holter indicated. This is why it is so important to do both. What is so interesting to look back on is that on most all of his PVC's (about 90%) were occurring while he was resting or sleeping. Dr. G. said that is why he always tells his patients to let them be dogs and do what they want and enjoy life. And, that is what we did with Baron.
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Thanks so much for sharing this Dax.....awesome dog!
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Was there a reason you took him in to get heart testing done? The reason I ask is that we took Cayenne in when she started having extreme breathing issues (her lungs were filling up with fluid) but there were several months before that where my husband had noticed that she was getting less and less active but didn't mention it to me or we would have gotten her treatment sooner. If your dog is not actually exhibiting symptoms he's actually got a very good prognosis. The studies from a couple of years ago had a medication he could take that significantly improved their survival rate (I'll see if I can find the link again).

Our vet treated her immediately with a diuretic to clear her lungs and recommended getting her to the cardiologist in Saskatoon as soon as possible to get her on medication. We saw the cardiologist five days later, he recommended her medications, and she lived for two more years and two months.
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Was there a reason you took him in to get heart testing done? The reason I ask is that we took Cayenne in when she started having extreme breathing issues (her lungs were filling up with fluid) but there were several months before that where my husband had noticed that she was getting less and less active but didn't mention it to me or we would have gotten her treatment sooner. If your dog is not actually exhibiting symptoms he's actually got a very good prognosis. The studies from a couple of years ago had a medication he could take that significantly improved their survival rate (I'll see if I can find the link again).

Our vet treated her immediately with a diuretic to clear her lungs and recommended getting her to the cardiologist in Saskatoon as soon as possible to get her on medication. We saw the cardiologist five days later, he recommended her medications, and she lived for two more years and two months.
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Baron was diagnosed with DCM in March, 2011 and lived for 8 years longer to be just a tad over 12 years old. He's our poster child of what heart meds (and wonderful parents) can do to give a dobe a good life even with that diagnosis.

Dax, I really appreciate you posting these results on this thread...tough to do, I know, my heart goes out to you. There is so much information (and hope) in your story of Baron; thank you for posting it.

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Was there a reason you took him in to get heart testing done? The reason I ask is that we took Cayenne in when she started having extreme breathing issues (her lungs were filling up with fluid) but there were several months before that where my husband had noticed that she was getting less and less active but didn't mention it to me or we would have gotten her treatment sooner. If your dog is not actually exhibiting symptoms he's actually got a very good prognosis. The studies from a couple of years ago had a medication he could take that significantly improved their survival rate (I'll see if I can find the link again).

Our vet treated her immediately with a diuretic to clear her lungs and recommended getting her to the cardiologist in Saskatoon as soon as possible to get her on medication. We saw the cardiologist five days later, he recommended her medications, and she lived for two more years and two months.
Baron had no signs whatsoever at 4 1/2. We just had him tested as being proactive for the disease at a health fair which offered a low cost echo and holter. That was 2011. Once on the meds, his numbers remained stable until 2015 when the disease started showing signs of progression so we had more meds which brought the numbers back down until last spring, they started increasing but not enough to add anything else. I am a firm believer of early testing at 2 or 3 years of age and Baron is a testament to this.
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