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Dilated Cardiomyopathy

Has any one had any experience with this? My doberman was just diagnosed with it.
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Unfortunatly you are going to find quite a few with experience. None of it very good. I am sorry you are having to experience it with us. Was it caught early?
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Sadly the vast majority that have been in the breed a while have experienced it. I'm very sorry you are having to also.

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It is a very serious condition and it is a problem with this breed. I wish you the best in your fight against it.
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Has any one had any experience with this? My doberman was just diagnosed with it.
Been there, done that, more than once. It's an awful, awful disease that kills way too many dobermans.

I'm sorry to hear about your dog. Hopefully it was caught early-early diagnosis and new medications are frequently able to extend lifespan and quality of life beyond what was possible in the past. But sadly, this disease is always fatal..it just doesn't provide any happy endings.



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Has any one had any experience with this? My doberman was just diagnosed with it.
Unfortunately, junglejane13, DCM is one of the big three Doberman health problems (cardio, specifically DCM, CVI and cancer).

If you have Dobes long enough you'll have your own experience with it. Testing and meds are much better today than they have been in the past but as MurreyDobe says, there are no good outcomes.

You might want to take a look at or join the yahoogroup, ummmm--Doberman Health?. Louise, who owns it started it because of a Dobe of hers who had and died from DCM. The list talks about a variety of things but there are very knowlegable people on it who have dealt with DCM
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Hum, I wish I had know about the yahoo group. I'll have to look it up.

junglejane, unfortunately I can't offer much of education on the disease but I can share personal knowledge as it has killed two of my two previous dobies. I was fortunate. One died at 7 1/2 of congestive heart failure and the other was more fortunate to have a sudden cardiac death after not being sick a day in her life. My last had clear cardiac exams up to three and a half months before her death. You're fortunate to have found this so that you can hopefully extend your pets life with medications. My vet doesn't seem to have much faith in the medications used as of yet, I think it is still all very new as far as medical knowledge goes. He says that there is a chance that the medications can extend life expectancy but it has not proved itself to him as of yet. For me, if it could have extended her life, even a short while, I would have jumped at the chance.

I'm very sorry for your diagnosis. It is one of the things that all doberman breed lovers are faced with at some time or another, unfortunately. The lives they bless us with are all well worth it though IMO.
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You might want to take a look at or join the yahoogroup, ummmm--Doberman Health?. Louise, who owns it started it because of a Dobe of hers who had and died from DCM. The list talks about a variety of things but there are very knowlegable people on it who have dealt with DCM
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Is it "HealthDobes"? I don't want to join the wrong group, there are so many...

Yeah, Healthdobes would be the list Dobebug is talking about.



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Oh wow. now I am worried. How do you find out if they have this? I am so sorry and hope your baby recovers from this.
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Oh wow. now I am worried. How do you find out if they have this? I am so sorry and hope your baby recovers from this.
Again, there is no recovery from DCM. It's a disease that's ALWAYS fatal..the best you can do is hopefully delay the progression of the disease as long as possible.

One of the real problems with DCM is dogs display no overt symptoms until they're in the end stages of the disease, with congestive heart failure and all that entails.

. About 25% of the dogs who develop DCM have the sudden death form, and death can be the first symptom for them. Luck being a very relative thing with DCM, the dogs who die from sudden death are the "lucky" ones.

Because overt symptoms usually appear late in the process, it's recommended that dobermans have extensive cardiac screening annually to try to diagnose it as early as possible..this takes the form of cardiac ultrasounds (done by cardiologists) and 24 hour Holter monitors. There's also a new blood test that appears to be something that could be useful for early diagnosis.



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Oh wow. now I am worried. How do you find out if they have this?
They say that the number one symptom is that your Doberman just died at your feet. :-(

In order to catch it early for treatment, one should ideally be having annual cardiac ultrasounds done on their Dobermans by canine cardiologists after the age of about 18 - 24 months, and annual Holter monitor ecgs - a 24 hour portable ecg recorder. I stagger mine so that they see the cardiologist in Jan or Feb for their ultrasounds and then I Holter in July or Aug. I'm in the middle of Holtering my dogs right now - 4 done, 2 to go (of my own, I Holter several others for other owners too).

Some may also be using the new Cardio Care bloodtest.
www.vetdiag.com

Here is Rocket being Holtered the other day...

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If I hadn't had to stop to go clean up dog vomit, I think murreydobe and I would have posted the same info at the same time!

If you read through the Doberman Pinscher Buying Guideline, there are several links to further information on Doberman dilated cardiomyopathy.
http://members.execulink.com/~korevaar/buyingguide.htm
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I make every year a Cardio-check with 24-hour-Holter-EKG. If you breed in Germany you have to follow the restrictions of the DV and the Cardio-check for new breeders is one of them.

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If I hadn't had to stop to go clean up dog vomit, I think murreydobe and I would have posted the same info at the same time!
Can I say I'm glad YOU got to deal with the dog vomit?



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I am recently learning more about this disease- from other recent posts here at DT. It is so sad and something I dread of owning a dobe someday. Scary.

For those of you who know more information about it and how it affects the breed as one of the number one killers, do you know if it is a high risk for other certain breeds as well?


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My last doberman was the picture of health, one night he was barking at the door and all of a sudden he stopped and almost fainted. If a few seconds he was back to normal. It really scared me and the next day I took him to our vet. My vet did some test and came back with the terrible news, he had DCM in the final stage and it was just a matter of time. Gave me some pills and told me I would know when it was time to let him go. He never showed any signs that he was sick, I really felt guilty how did this happen to my boy.

He was fine for about a week and a half and then he got really bad, he couldn't climb starirs anymore, so I slept downstairs with him, he didn't want to eat very much. I made all of his favourite meals but I had to hand feed him. I knew in my heart that the time had come to let him go because he was suffering, he was only 6 1/2 years old, I hate this disease.

I'm so sorry you got this awful news, I wish you all the best. Mary.
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For those of you who know more information about it and how it affects the breed as one of the number one killers, do you know if it is a high risk for other certain breeds as well?

They say it gets more Dobermans than all other breeds combined. However, two other breeds with cardiac problems that come to mind right away are boxers and Cavalier King Charles spaniels.
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They say it gets more Dobermans than all other breeds combined. However, two other breeds with cardiac problems that come to mind right away are boxers and Cavalier King Charles spaniels.
DCM--the particular cardiac problem that is common to Dobes is something that actually shows up in more cats than other dog breeds.

Boxers also have a major cardiac problem in the breed but it is NOT the Doberman type DCM--just as fatal though.

Cavalier's also have a major league cardiac problem and I can't (even though our clinic sees and treat a dozen or so Cav's with cardio) remember exactly what type their cardio takes.

There are several other breeds that have cardio problems--but not DCM--it ranges from incomplete closure of the septum seperating the sides of the heart in Australian Shepherds to a variety of specific valve problems in other breeds.

DCM is the cardiac disease that is known in vet circles as Doberman cardio.
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DCM--the particular cardiac problem that is common to Dobes is something that actually shows up in more cats than other dog breeds.

Boxers also have a major cardiac problem in the breed but it is NOT the Doberman type DCM--just as fatal though.

Cavalier's also have a major league cardiac problem and I can't (even though our clinic sees and treat a dozen or so Cav's with cardio) remember exactly what type their cardio takes.

There are several other breeds that have cardio problems--but not DCM--it ranges from incomplete closure of the septum seperating the sides of the heart in Australian Shepherds to a variety of specific valve problems in other breeds.

DCM is the cardiac disease that is known in vet circles as Doberman cardio.
Boxer cardiomyopathy virtually always takes the sudden death form.

Cavaliers get Mitral Valve Disease.

DCM is also a problem in Irish Wolfhounds. And cockers. But as someone said, more dobermans are affected by this disease than all the other breeds prone to it combined. And unfortunately, every other breed prone to DCM responds to treatment better than the doberman.




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Has any one had any experience with this? My doberman was just diagnosed with it.
I am sorry that you are dealing with this. There are many people that have gone down the same road. My current boy was diagnosed a year ago and now going through CHF.

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Oh wow. Thanks you guys, for all the information. Geee that sucks for dobers...


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