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Life expectancy for a Wobbler??

I've read a lot of the posts on wobbler's and the help is tremendous. I'm new to the site and am looking for some help and hope for my dobe boy, Rajah. Rajah has always had a "clumsy" rear and now at 8 was diagnosed with Wobbler's. He is responding very well to the predisone and I wish I had the money to try accupuncture but I don't (not on a regular basis). So my question is kind of a two-parter, as I type and think. Does anyone know a ballpark life expectancy once a dog is diagnosed? and second, if accupuncture is done. How long does it last? In general? I know a lot depends upon the dog, but any ball park numbers would help. Thanks!
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there's really no way to guess I don't think. Back in the 80's I knew someone who had one diagnosed at 2 yrs or age. She lived to be over 12 yrs old.
I knew another that was much worse, had surgery and never got up again.
If he is responding well I would think thats a good sign.

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Acupuncture should be done once a week at a vet who offers it. We paid $65.00 a session but this was after surgery to get him off prednisone.The problem with prednisone is the dog will gain weight which causes more stress on the back and neck.As long as he is not in pain you can have the vet try wrapping the neck it does help some dogs.The acupuncture is not a cure.

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Zeus (my daughters dobe) was diagnosed 2 years ago at the age of 9. He had surgery and is doing well. He is an amazing boy.
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Welcome to the forum from a fellow Kentuckian!! Have you tried the search function? It is a pretty common topic on here, you should be able to find some info that way Wish all the luck with your boy!!

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Acupuncture should be done once a week at a vet who offers it. We paid $65.00 a session but this was after surgery to get him off prednisone.The problem with prednisone is the dog will gain weight which causes more stress on the back and neck.As long as he is not in pain you can have the vet try wrapping the neck it does help some dogs.The acupuncture is not a cure.
Thanks you! That gives me hope. I found a vet in my area who charges about $80 a visit. Rajah has always been a little thin and because he's not a free-feeder (food left down all the time), I hope weight gain isn't an issue. I had a GSD that had a fusing spine and I was able to get 4 good years out of him by keeping him on anti-inflammatories and pain meds. I completely agree - excess weight is very hard for these old guys to haul around and I have been very conscience of this with Rajah even before knowing he had Wobbler's. Thanks again for the response. - T
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there's really no way to guess I don't think. Back in the 80's I knew someone who had one diagnosed at 2 yrs or age. She lived to be over 12 yrs old.
I knew another that was much worse, had surgery and never got up again.
If he is responding well I would think thats a good sign.
Thank you for the hopeful words. I always thought I would get 10 years or more out of Rajah. Both lines of sire and dam were bred for longevity. I was so careful when I researched breeders. I guess it goes to show that these things can just happen, no matter what. I love this breed and can't imagine any other. We may not have them as long as other breeds, but the years we do have are fiercely spectacular. His personality and temperment are the best, and I would choose him all over again, even knowing the outcome.
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Prednisone seems to work wonders with many wobbler dogs. But it does increase their water consumption and urination. Make sure your guy has fresh water available all the time and can 'relieve' himself regularly.

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Thanks you! That gives me hope. I found a vet in my area who charges about $80 a visit. Rajah has always been a little thin and because he's not a free-feeder (food left down all the time), I hope weight gain isn't an issue. I had a GSD that had a fusing spine and I was able to get 4 good years out of him by keeping him on anti-inflammatories and pain meds. I completely agree - excess weight is very hard for these old guys to haul around and I have been very conscience of this with Rajah even before knowing he had Wobbler's. Thanks again for the response. - T
Your welcome I hope he does well.

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maybe try Medrol in place of Pred. it has less side effects and Sydney used it for 3 years with little or no weight gain



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Prednisone seems to work wonders with many wobbler dogs. But it does increase their water consumption and urination. Make sure your guy has fresh water available all the time and can 'relieve' himself regularly.

Big Hugz to Rajah!
Thanks for the advice! Luckily I'm a stay-at-home-mom and he's with me all the time. He's been mildly incontinent for sometime, leaking a droplet here and there, but he hardly does at all if he's let out every 1/2 hour to an hour. The water source is readily available - now if only my 2 yr old toddler behaved as well as Rajah, and would quit trying to play in it :/
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maybe try Medrol in place of Pred. it has less side effects and Sydney used it for 3 years with little or no weight gain
I will definitely ask my vet. I admit I am a little nervous about the pred. He's on 1 and 1/2 tabs (20mg tabs) each day and I was originally told to get it down to 1 tab and then a 1/2. When I backed it down to 1 tab, I noticed he worsened almost as bad as before he was taking anything. Now we're trying 1.5 on one day and then 1 the next and back and forth. I will def look into the medrol. I might just be a better alternative. I still feel so gut-punched. Other than this, he is aging VERY well. He looks like a 5 year old dobe and have very little grey. He's my heart and it breaks everytime I think about this. The pred has been a miracle drug. I was seriously scared at some of the stumbling he was doing. You can hardly tell now. His back feet slip out on slick floors only sometimes now, whereas before, it was truly sad. I was soooo scared. I'm not ready to even think of letting him go and he's doing sooo great now, thanks to the pred. Thank God.
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If you were thinking about doing the accupunture route- you might want to look into gold bead implants- in the long run worked wonders for my last girl and was less expensive than going every week to the vets. Just worked for me- and recovery/results came quicker. Good luck.

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If you were thinking about doing the accupunture route- you might want to look into gold bead implants- in the long run worked wonders for my last girl and was less expensive than going every week to the vets. Just worked for me- and recovery/results came quicker. Good luck.
Just sharing my thoughts and experiences here. I'm less familiar with the anti-inflammatory route, but do have experience with acupuncture and gold beads. My last boy was diagnosed at 8 years old with Wobblers. I did acupuncture with him for a few months (weekly to bi-weekly) to see if it made any difference with his mobility. It helped with his strength for short periods of time (about a week to a week and a half) and I would see results in things like lifting a back leg to pee when previously he didn't have the strength to balance his weight on just one rear leg. Slowly over the week his strength would lessen again, then we'd repeat the acupuncture and he'd improve again.

Since the acupuncture was successful, I had hopes that gold bead implants would be too, so in November of last year my Indy had the procedure done. I was really happy with the results, and he lived another 8 months before passing away from a very sudden stroke, which may or may not have had a wobblers link.

If at all possible, I would rec the acupuncture. It really made a difference in my Indy's quality of life, and the actual treatment itself (he had electro- acupuncture) must have felt really good, because he'd fall asleep while the needles pulsed. I would imagine that even if not done regularly as is the ideal, even a few treatments would give you boy some temporary relief.
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If at all possible, I would rec the acupuncture. It really made a difference in my Indy's quality of life, and the actual treatment itself (he had electro- acupuncture) must have felt really good, because he'd fall asleep while the needles pulsed. I would imagine that even if not done regularly as is the ideal, even a few treatments would give you boy some temporary relief.
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I agree 100%.

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I just heard a story today of a Doberman that was diagnosed with CVI at 2 years of age. He had some sort of enzyme injected into the neck that digested the vertebrae? Then there was fiberous fusion of the area. Sounded FACINATING and I am hoping to learn more about that procedure. I met him today (over 9 years old now) and he gets around great and is a happy boy.


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Hello everyone, I am new here, but I had a Doberman that past away in July, that had a similar issue. First of all there is hope. He was 11 years old. My doberman had a ruptured disk in his neck when he was 5 years old, and was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease, which I know is not Wobblers, but I believe the treatment is similar. He never was the same after that, but he still had a fairly active life, after the initial problems. He could walk on flat surfaces with no problems, but he did have problem going down hills (and stairs), but with a harness that had a handle we could easily assist him down. He would even run a little on his own on soft surfaces, but that did not happen until at least a year later. For treatment the Vet had us on aggressive doses of prednisone for the first three months, and strict bed rest. The side affects of prednisone are tough, especially trying to stop the weight gain, and the drinking of water. After that we tapered off prednisone and starting using deramaxx, which does not have the nasty side affects, and we finally tapered deramaxx to low doses, and were adding a supplement called Synovi MSM. In the end he did not die of the back related problems at all, it was DCM I did meet many Dachshund owners that had the same problem, and acupuncture worked very well for them. Massage helped as well. If we had him on slippery surfaces (ie hardwood floors), we used rubber boots, which gave him back confidence, and he did not have to strain to keep from slipping. A big key was doing all these small things, so he did not have to stain, or be awkward, which led to his muscles not tightening up, and I think less pain. So don't give up, your dog can still have a long happy life!

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Wobblers Surgery Success Rate???

My 8 1/2 yr Doberman Dante might have wobblers. We live in Dallas and last year we had a total hip replacement in Houston with world known Dr Liska. Successful surgery and he recommended a follow-up with a local ortho. The last 6/7 months I noticed that he still wasn't feeling that great and thought it might be the other hip that was causing the pain. He did have a wide stance. The ortho threw out "wobblers" the more research Iíve done- we may have early wobblers. Except I see him declining daily. He moans and cant do much but lay there. sometimes he and Bruno will see a sqirl that comes by to mess with tehm occaionaly and they run outside and bark and play but he's back in bed lying down. We had MRI done and it said that there is a bulging disk and also some fluids. Now we have an appointment with a board certified neurologist this week. I am going to send the results to a lot of specialist for thier opinion including Ohio state university as they specialize and have done tests on wobblers with Dobermans. Dogs with spinal injuries are like walking time bombs- one wrong move and it's like a bullet thru the spine. Leading to paralysis. I want to take a proactive approach and am leaing heavy to have surgery and go thru the healing process so that we can get healthy and back to the lake. Dante and his brother Bruno are very athletic and love to swim and run off the leash to explore. If we did pain management, we will never have that life style back. Actually I do not expect it back complexly now. But I want him out of pain and I want him functioning normally. One of our lake buddies was a German Sheppard. He was misdiagnosed with wrong spinal disease and after the surgery became paralyzed. His dad put him down this summer and regrets what he did. I on the other hand am doing more research and not trusting everything a vet tells me. Little history- Dante was diagnosed with Congestive Heart Failure 2 years ago. We went down to Texas A&M had it evaluated- heart is fine. Then he was misdiagnosed with possible lung cancer- lungs are fine. Then an unnecessary surgery to remove possible cancer fatty tumors... omg! It was arthritis. I've spent nearly 38K on him. Iím not rich but I just stopped worrying about money and started doing more research with the vets and experiences they have.

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cold lazer ! 40 a session... I hate pred...it do alot of harm to liver as well as can have a cancer affect.. i would look at more natural products .. I would start the dog on arnica montana..


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