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Hi, I have a new puppy, almost 14 week, that I love dearly (no matter what defect he may have, he means a world to me). His medical exam diagnosed him with an 'undescended testicle' and to be neutered immediately. I would rather start saving money for a near future surgery to "correct" the undescended testicle no matter what the cost maybe. I please dont want to get into neutering conversation so very much appreciate if you could respect my wishes.

1. I am attaching some photos, those with experience, if you would be kind to offer your experience as to what you see from the pictures. Thank you so much all for your time. (Please don't be influenced by my own assessment, but it feels to me, at most this is a retractile testicle).

2. Has anyone tried chiropractic procedures for it.
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Do you know where the testicle is? If it's not anywhere near where it belongs (like way up in the abdomen), then the odds of it coming down, or staying where it belongs if you do get it down, are probably pretty slim.

If your contract says he is supposed to be neutered, then you should neuter him.

And if you are doing it so you can show him, you might want to check the AKC's Rules Applying to Dog Shows, Chapter 11, Section 8, and specifically #10 on the list of procedures that make a dog ineligible to be shown: "Alteration of the location of the testes or the insertion of an artificial testicle".


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Is the testicle sometimes up and sometimes not? Looks like both testes are actually in the scrotum in the pictures.

I know nothing about the use of chiropractic procedures to keep a testicle in the scrotum but I do know of enough cases of puppies the age of yours and older who sometimes have a missing testicle descend .

Good luck, but bear in mind Rosemary's points about undescended testicles. Although I don't think that immediate neutering is necessary if the testicle does not descend, your dog should be neutered eventually (and when fairly young) as undescended testicles tend to end up cancerous if retained and left.

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Looks like you have both in that picture to me too. You can flatten out your fingers and press in front of his testicle(s) and gently pull then down to see if you do have both. If you do I would suggest doing this exercise and hold them down for a few minutes several times per day. Even if you plan to neuter him it is much safer and healthier to try to keep them both descended until that time.
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I haven't heard of anything a chiropractor can do, I have heard of acupuncture working.

I certainly wouldn't listen to your vet, 14 weeks is far too young. I know of males who's 2nd testicle didn't descend until 6-7mo old. I wouldn't let him go past a year though because you do start to get into the increased chances of cancer.

To my knowledge there isn't a procedure that can "correct" the undecended testicle, unless you know something that all of my lifelong breeder friends don't know.

What has your breeder said about it?
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I have found vets to be like people, sometimes so caught up as ideological activist hogs that even sometimes loosing sight of larger picture. I would never listen to them verbatim instead develop my own knowledge. I agree one testicle might not be lying completely normal in scrotum, but it certainly feels outside the Inguinal canal. In humans it is called 'retractile testicle', testicle drops when child is cold or afraid only and then retracts back. In such cases, testicles do eventually drop at puberty, as the child gains control over 'reflexes' (fear and emotions being of precipice) . I had observed him to not play with litter mates and choosing to hide instead I think I need to help him conquer fears, give him daily plenty of exercise, and some physical maneuvers one you mention. I like the concept of the particular exercise you describe. Thanks.

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Looks like you have both in that picture to me too. You can flatten out your fingers and press in front of his testicle(s) and gently pull then down to see if you do have both. If you do I would suggest doing this exercise and hold them down for a few minutes several times per day. Even if you plan to neuter him it is much safer and healthier to try to keep them both descended until that time.
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In the meantime, I need to just in case, research about a willing orchiopexy procedure expert anywhere in US to maintain testicular health integrity.
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My male had an undescended testicle. My vet is a breeder and pretty experienced in reproductive issues. She was really comfortable with me waiting until age 2 to neuter so my boy could finish maturing. It was a good balance to minimize the cancer risks and risks of early neutering at the same time.

I would find a vet that is more knowledgeable about reproductive issues to advise you.
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My male had an undescended testicle. My vet is a breeder and pretty experienced in reproductive issues. She was really comfortable with me waiting until age 2 to neuter so my boy could finish maturing. It was a good balance to minimize the cancer risks and risks of early neutering at the same time.

I would find a vet that is more knowledgeable about reproductive issues to advise you.
That's interesting because I spoke to my repro. vet and she said a year old. I forget why either, infection or cancer... I just remembered the age part. But if you were able to wait and no issues that's great to know, obviously the more mature the better in many ways.
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I have found vets to be like people, sometimes so caught up as ideological activist hogs that even sometimes loosing sight of larger picture. I would never listen to them verbatim instead develop my own knowledge. I agree one testicle might not be lying completely normal in scrotum, but it certainly feels outside the Inguinal canal. In humans it is called 'retractile testicle', testicle drops when child is cold or afraid only and then retracts back. In such cases, testicles do eventually drop at puberty, as the child gains control over 'reflexes' (fear and emotions being of precipice) . I had observed him to not play with litter mates and choosing to hide instead I think I need to help him conquer fears, give him daily plenty of exercise, and some physical maneuvers one you mention. I like the concept of the particular exercise you describe. Thanks.
Sprinter, are you sure of this information. I haven't gone looking to see for myself but from what I've seen of a few dogs with "retractile" testicles I think you may have it backwards.

I had a puppy who definitely had two testicle's down and in the scrotum when I got him and several weeks later he was on his back and I realized I was seeing only one testicle in the scrotum. Took him in to his vet and by the time we got him on the table he had two properly descended testicles again. That vet, who started his life as a track (as in racing) vet said the when yearling colts first started racing practice--they would often come back to the barns with one or both testicles missing. He said that heavy exercise often produced the same effect on dogs. Ditto for fights (in puppies) cold and fear.

Sometime later I was telling a friend who had four boys (and several Great Danes) about that--she said that with her first kid she almost had a heart attack when she went to change his diaper and he had only one testicle. She called her pediatrition who told her that is was a common result if the kid was startled, cold, hurt etc. She said all of her boys did this as young kids--but as soon as the pressure was off the testicle descended to normal position in the scrotum.

Guess I need to go look this up--looks like you found something the exact opposite of what I've been told or have had happen with my puppies.

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That's interesting because I spoke to my repro. vet and she said a year old. I forget why either, infection or cancer... I just remembered the age part. But if you were able to wait and no issues that's great to know, obviously the more mature the better in many ways.
I'm sure there's debate about that, just like everything else. I had no problems waiting...I think Richter was about 22 months (could have been 20...it's been 6 years so I can't remember exactly anymore!). I know she was very comfortable with waiting. Definitely recommended waiting until growth plate closure. But that's just us. People should certainly consult their own vets.
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The photos appear to indicate both testicles present. I would Not get in any hurry. Wait and see what happens. This is not an urgent matter.
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My male had the same problem and I waited until he was 3 before neutering and he is just fine. Like MC, I wanted him to fully mature before I neutered him. It's your call.
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At 14 weeks, I'd wait a while longer to determine if the testicle is coming down or not. Also, Bugs info is excellent! Even if it does not come down, I'd still wait for more maturity to do a neuter. The chances of a retained testicle causing issues before the age of 2 would be very slim. The chances of an early neuter causing issues down the line are much higher. If it is retained, you will definitely need to to a neuter, and I personally would suggest 18 -24 months for it.
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