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Nova has skin issues :(

Hello everyone. Nova is 9 months old and has these little white bumps (Scabs?) all over her body. I am looking to buy a allergy test but not sure which one is legit, there are so many of them. Last time I was at the vet she said it was normal, she is a puppy. I say BS, it isnt.

No Rashes
She is not itchy
Paws are fine
She eats "Hollistic Health Extensions"
I put coconut oil in it as well
No chicken for the past 2 months
I was bathing her way to often, I cut that a week ago.
Her ears are fine, bowel movement normal.
Her legs hair is thinning


Please guide on getting the right test kit, Also I never tried giving her Benadryl like some people do?
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My boy Hoss used to get those bumps when he was that age.
They pimple up and pop then form scabs and then the flakes.
After visiting a dermatologist he did a skin scraping to make sure not an infection or other things like mites,etc.
We ended up using chlorahexidine shampoo once a week ....leave on for 10 minutes and rinse well with cool water.
Gently stroking downward going with the grain of his hair.
After 4 weeks of this...then the recommended natural astringent is 1 part vinegar to 3 parts cool water.
Couple of milk jug gallons ...would just pour over and let dog shake dry.
But first thing you must do is have a vet check to make sure their is no infections going on that might need treatment first.
Your pup is very young so they will have mild redactions to things as they develop immunity to things that are airborne or on the ground.
So exposure is good you just have to keep the reactions in check.
Chlorahexidine shampoos can dry skin out if used to often so be careful and there are different percentages 2%..3%...4 %
Our vet started at 2 % .....
Also their hair follicles get pissed off if you go in the wrong direction so always go with the grain.
And the you have humans that want to give your pup a good back scratch and go back and forth.Thats a no.no....hairs that are angry can turn into follicilitis and some become ingrown hairs.
So this shampoo you can get online.
Try not to apply anything to the coat like oils,etc.not till pup is older.
For now less is better until 18 months or so......
Meanwhile have the skin scrape test ....talk with vet......work the plan .
Oh yeah...if pup has been outside ....not a bad idea at this age ...just a simple wipe down to get rid of airborne stuff he picked up while outside.Most of us do not bathe our dogs much once mature but pups they need a chance to build up immunities so easy does it with a damp paper towel and water once in for the night.
As far as allergy testing....IMO I wouldn’t ..to young and reacting to many things at this age.
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Allergy testing is really not a great way to diagnose food allergies in dogs (and food allergies are actually very, very uncommon). Environmental allergies are, by far, the most common cause of allergies.

Have you done skin scrapings? Ruled out things like staph?

Here's info on allergy testing: https://skeptvet.com/Blog/2018/11/ha...pseudoscience/

I would work with a dermatologist if you've already pursed the typical things your regular vet can do.
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Awesome info, thanks so much to the both of you. I am going to order the 2% shampoo and also go to vet for some tests. I will update you guys soon!
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Awesome info, thanks so much to the both of you. I am going to order the 2% shampoo and also go to vet for some tests. I will update you guys soon!
I highly recommend a Vet Dermatologist they see skin problems/issues on a daily basis and usually have the lab equipment on site for fast diagnosis. It is worth the money to know exactly what the dog is dealing with. IMO a regular vet is good for every day problems. Again IMO it is hit and miss and you spend money. I have had a Vet Dermatologist for close to 35 yrs. Get exact answers and a treatment protocol
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I highly recommend a Vet Dermatologist they see skin problems/issues on a daily basis and usually have the lab equipment on site for fast diagnosis. It is worth the money to know exactly what the dog is dealing with. IMO a regular vet is good for every day problems. Again IMO it is hit and miss and you spend money. I have had a Vet Dermatologist for close to 35 yrs. Get exact answers and a treatment protocol
I agree with dobegal. If you don't know what you're treating you could make things worse.


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I will ,need to find a good one on Long Island,NY. I do not know of any
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You could try calling your closest vet school to see if they can recommend someone. They may even have some vets on staff who can help you out.
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By the way, here's the article in Veterinary Practice News about allergy testing (and its lack of efficacy) for food allergies. Basically, the only way to identify a true food allergy is an elimination diet: https://www.veterinarypracticenews.c...g3tL76Mdq_zQsA

Here is where you can find board certified veterinary dermatologists: https://www.acvd.org/tools/locator/l..._Dermatologist

I'd make a trip if needed. Just my two cents.
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I’ve actually had the same issues with my dobie and we went to the vet and it was actually a staph infection. Which means she could’ve been exposed to something in her environment or it could be her food, etc. my baby is only 5.5 months old so they said it was common to see puppies get it since they are getting use to things and her environment. They put her on medication For two weeks and it’s been clearing Up. Hope this helped in any way 🙂
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My first reaction was staph so make sure you rule that out. The thing about staph is you have to wash everything she sleeps on so she doesn't get reinfected. Chlorhexidine is a really good product to have on hand. A lot of dogs get little staph pimples on their chin and a Chlorhex wipe regularly helps clear it up.
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It looks like a staph infection to me and it is very common at this age. Dobermans tend to have low immune systems when they are very young. I'd ask the vet to put her on a 30 day regimen of antibiotics before you spend the money on allergy tests. It needs to be 30 days straight - 10 days will not be long enough. Tell your vet that long time Doberman show breeders told you that 30 days is what is needed - advocate for it as a lot of vets won't agree because they are not Doberman experts.... nor do I expect them to be.

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I also immediately thought Staph. Honestly every Dobe pup I have ever had has contracted Staph to some extent due to the reasons Fitzmar explained. The breakout have usually been very minor and brief. And as has been said... It is common and easily treatable with a simple yet rigorous and consistent regime.

I did not mention it as the OP indicated that the pup had seen the vet. I assumed that the vet, if at all familiar with Doberman puppies, would have initially diagnosed the bumps as Staph and prescribed appropriate treatment.

For what it is worth... It still looks like a Staph infection to me. I would not even consider food allergies as the culprit.

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I also immediately thought Staph. Honestly every Dobe pup I have ever had has contracted Staph to some extent due to the reasons Fitzmar explained. The breakout have usually been very minor and brief. And as has been said... It is common and easily treatable with a simple yet rigorous and consistent regime.

I did not mention it as the OP indicated that the pup had seen the vet. I assumed that the vet, if at all familiar with Doberman puppies, would have initially diagnosed the bumps as Staph and prescribed appropriate treatment.

For what it is worth... It still looks like a Staph infection to me. I would not even consider food allergies as the culprit.

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Nor did I John. Staph is a nomal part of the skin flora for all mammals--you, me that puppy and my puppies and your puppies who have had outbreaks of staph.

Talk to most vets and certainly all of the better dermatologist/allergists at that age it tends to be staph--because! Medium large, large and giant breeds tend to have slow to mature immune systems. And while in another year the puppies will be able to fight off the staph outbreaks they often can't as babies.

Almost all of my Dobe puppies have had at least one bout of staph and go through the regimen of antibiotics, sometimes something to make them not itch and chlorhexadine baths.

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I would have thought that Staph would have been the first thing the vet considered, so I thought that was eliminated as a possibility. I see he said it was normal because she's a puppy though—maybe she sees so many cases in puppies that she does consider it normal??

But even though a condition is common that doesn't mean you shouldn't bother to treat it.
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I didn't even consider that the vet wouldn't have ruled out staph...that should definitely be the first consideration!


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