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Off To The Vet This Morning

I have to take Mocha to the vet as soon as they open; not sure what's wrong with her. She was acting a bit off last night, nothing I could put my finger on but I know my girl and something was just off with her. She ate and drank ok, and went outside for her business and I noticed she went up and down the deck stairs slow, which was a sign for sure because slow is not in her vocabulary but the way she was acting...subdued, if that makes sense.

This morning when I got up, she got up kind of slow and as I watched her, she's not her usual energetic happy self. When she stood up, she would take a step or two backwards, ears down, with a look like she had done something bad. And she keeps wanting to sit or lay down. And when I took her outside, again she went up and down the deck stairs slow. And the constant ears down, sad eyes...to me, it looks like it's either something internal or maybe her back.

She is following us around, and is looking for breakfast but I'm going to hold off on the food for now, just in case.
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Best wishes for Mocha at her vet visit. It's amazing how dogs and humans can sense each other's moods and malaise in an unspoken language.

FYI: Neighbor's young male dog, Jasper, across street went through a several day period of lethargy and not eating food. She thought the influx of toads this year in our yards might have been culprit, with dog picking up something toxic off toads. This is first year we've had this issue. I have been releasing frogs I find trapped in pool or filter basket into front yard, but now I may take them down to nearby park to release. Jasper did vomit but never had the foaming at the mouth like below article discusses:

https://www.vets-now.com/2017/09/dog...toad-vets-now/


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Hoping for something minor and easy. Please keep us updated when you get the chance.
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like V-Z - hope its something VERY minor .
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Hoping nothing is serious Keep us posted
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Oh no. Hope it's nothing serious.
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Hi TN.

I'm sorry to hear that Mocha is not feeling well.

Just an internet stab here, but that is exactly the way The Sheriff behaved initially when he had a bowel obstruction. I hope this is not the case with Mocha.

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They took x-rays and did blood work, the only thing they saw was that her liver is smaller than normal and that her liver ALT levels have gone higher than before (407) so we're going to get a referral to a specialist to have an ultrasound done to see if she has that shunt issue (can't remember the exact name).
She's pooping real good, so the food is moving through the intestines ok.
The doc had her walk to watch her, and checked to see if she had any pain or discomfort along her neck when they moved her head and had her move her head, so right now they're not sure what's going on.

So unfortunately, no good answers today. It was a long and expensive morning.

Edit: she does seem to be feeling better...maybe she has/had an upset stomach? They gave us some gastric acid reduction meds and some pain meds (she won't be getting the pain meds)

Right now she's all perky, helping me eat a chicken sandwich.
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It can be so worrisome when you can't immediately figure out what's going on. Fingers crossed that you get some answers soon, and that she feels better.


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It can be so worrisome when you can't immediately figure out what's going on. Fingers crossed that you get some answers soon, and that she feels better.
While I was sitting in my car, waiting, I got to thinking. When we go to the doc, we can tell them our symptoms, and exactly where it hurts, and what we've done. It must be hard, being a vet, where your patient can't answer your questions.
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Sometimes I think dogs get a kick out of making us worry.

Not really…

I hope whatever it is/was is on its way to being gone and that it was just a short-term upset of some sort.
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Sometimes I think dogs get a kick out of making us worry.

Not really…

I hope whatever it is/was is on its way to being gone and that it was just a short-term upset of some sort.
I hope so too. I'll admit, she did have me going this morning though
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It's better to go to the vet and find out something isn't too major than it is to wait too long to go in. At the very least, it's less wear and tear on the worried owner.

Of course, wear and tear on the pocketbook is another matter.
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TN - If I remember right - ALT range is ? 12 to 118 OR some place around that number . Ali's got as high as 1358 , then she was in BIG trouble . How was the ALP and Bun numbers ?

So did they set you up with a Internal Med. Vet ? They are really god to go to !

BEst of luck ole buddy and give Mocha aa big hug and ear rub for me !
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When the liver acts up, they really don't feel well. Wicca was acting like this about 3 weeks ago, and bloodwork showed that her ALT was up over 1200. She had routine bloodwork a year ago and it was perfectly normal then. We put her on IV fluids for a day at the vet's, started antibiotics on IV, came home with Clavaseptin and a pretty high dose of Metronidazole, I started her on Denamarin and in a week, her ALT came down to just under 200, and the difference in her demeanour was amazing. She did keep her appetite through the whole thing, which surprised me, but she obviously felt really lousy before the fluids and abx started. Like you said, it almost does look like a back problem because of the caution they seem to be taking. The day I saw Wicca walk into the yard (WALK!), just pee, and walk back in was a sure sign that there was something really wrong.
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It's better to go to the vet and find out something isn't too major than it is to wait too long to go in. At the very least, it's less wear and tear on the worried owner.

Of course, wear and tear on the pocketbook is another matter.
You're right, none of those tests are cheap and it adds up when they're doing multiple ones at a time. I left that office a bit poorer today but honestly, I'd sell my car and walk to work to take care of Mocha.

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TN - If I remember right - ALT range is ? 12 to 118 OR some place around that number . Ali's got as high as 1358 , then she was in BIG trouble . How was the ALP and Bun numbers ?

So did they set you up with a Internal Med. Vet ? They are really god to go to !

BEst of luck ole buddy and give Mocha aa big hug and ear rub for me !
They have us scheduled with an internal specialist on the 13th, where they'll do the abdominal ultrasound (ka-ching, mo money, mo money LOL). A few years ago, when we got referred, we had to drive down to Nashville but earlier this year that office opened up a sister office here in town. So far they're only an emergency vet and have an internal specialist but they hope to be totally mirrored to their Nashville office within the next year, which will be great. If their docs here are even half as good as the ones in Nashville, we'll be set. They're not cheap, but they do get results and can do things a regular vet can't.

I don't know what her other numbers were, the doc said everything was in the normal range except her ALT.

I'm going to be sure to ask them to try to cover as much of the abdomen with the ultrasound as they can, even if I have to pay more, just to see if the x-ray may have missed something.
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You're right, none of those tests are cheap and it adds up when they're doing multiple ones at a time. I left that office a bit poorer today but honestly, I'd sell my car and walk to work to take care of Mocha.



They have us scheduled with an internal specialist on the 13th, where they'll do the abdominal ultrasound (ka-ching, mo money, mo money LOL). A few years ago, when we got referred, we had to drive down to Nashville but earlier this year that office opened up a sister office here in town. So far they're only an emergency vet and have an internal specialist but they hope to be totally mirrored to their Nashville office within the next year, which will be great. If their docs here are even half as good as the ones in Nashville, we'll be set. They're not cheap, but they do get results and can do things a regular vet can't.

I don't know what her other numbers were, the doc said everything was in the normal range except her ALT.

I'm going to be sure to ask them to try to cover as much of the abdomen with the ultrasound as they can, even if I have to pay more, just to see if the x-ray may have missed something.
TN -- I always ask for the results -- printed out or for them to email them and put them in a 3 ring binder . Thanks for the update !
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TN -- I always ask for the results -- printed out or for them to email them and put them in a 3 ring binder . Thanks for the update !
I usually do too, but I wasn't thinking too clearly today. I'll end up getting them, I have the same thing, a binder where all her medical stuff is. Her medical file at 6 years is thicker than mine was after 20 years in the military
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Did Mocha tell you that chicken sammiches cure everything?

Sorry you have to wait so long before they could get her in to the Specialist--I'll be having my fingers crossed for Mocha.

(You guys should have seen Toad's file--14 years worth they had to split into two of the big heavy duty files we use at the vet clinic.)

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She *seemed* better this morning; when the alarm went off and I started getting out of bed, she jumped up too vs. me having to prod her to get up like yesterday. Took her outside to potty, and then gave her a small handful of kibble (morning ritual so she won't throw up with empty stomach) and she went back to bed. I'll get some updates from Mrs. TN throughout the day.
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Glad to hear she seems to be feeling better - I would talk to the specialist about what Mary said. Denamarin is great stuff - my Jezebel has maintained on it and diet for 6 years with copper storage disease.

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I just got another update from my wife, she says Mocha seems to be acting normal so maybe, she just had an upset stomach?

As far as the ALT, it's been slightly elevated for about a year now, in the 300 range...elevated but not enough where the doc was too concerned. We put her on Denamarin which did absolutely nothing for her at all. With the most recent test, her ALT is over 400 which is why the doc wants to get an ultrasound to see if she has a liver shunt. If she doesn't, I believe a liver biopsy may be next.
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So sorry Mocha is having problems. I do hope they can figure it out and she feels better soon. Yes, liver tests are expensive.

I've been dealing with Helo's up and down ALT values since April, started over 500, then 200, one was completely normal and most recently back to 190. He had a normal ultrasound and bile acid test in June but when the ALT shot back up, they recommended the biopsy which was done last week. Helo is doing well but the path report was inconclusive and they even suggested it may just be his normal. No shunt or copper storage disease (and it doesn't run in his lines that we know of). Going to try one more ALT and if it's high, will start him on Denamarin. I have Nationwide Pet Insurance but have already reached the annual max on this condition so I will pay about $3,200 of the biopsy out of pocket. That included anesthesia, more blood work and an overnight stay. The ultrasound was $350 and bile acid test $200 to give you an idea of the costs.

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