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Tooth Missing? Possible Fracture.

I was inspecting my dogs teeth today and noticed that the Bottom P4 Molar had a chip, it used to be pointy but now it isnt, when comparing to right side. I then noticed that his Upper P2 Molar is completely missing? Since they are both on the same side Im concerned. Did my dog completely fracture his tooth?

I touched the spot where the tooth should be and it feels like gum, but if I look real close I think I can see a white spot/dot possibly the remains of a tooth? Around that white spot are two small red dots indicating blood to me.

He doesnt have any trouble chewing anything hard. No change in attitude yet. Chip on the bottom premolar could've happened in the last 3 days. Chip seems like a very small enamel fracture. The missing P2 Molar is a bigger concern. I've honestly never noticed it before but I didn't really inspect his teeth too hard. In fact I was just beating myself up about how I let him chip his bottom tooth. I decided to check all his teeth and then noticed the missing one. I sort of recall the vet saying he had all his adult teeth when I took him in at like 6-8 months, but I don't think he took more than 5 to 10 seconds to look last time we went to the vet, and we went for another issue.

Dog is a 15 month old Doberman, Male, Unneutered 70# , Purchased from BYB. Had him since he was a puppy till now. Did not notice any heavy bleeding, changes in attitude, eating habits. Honestly could've happened anytime. On occasion I have given my dog bones and yak cheese as for the hardest chews I have ever given him.

Ive scheduled a vet visit. Anything else I can do to know for sure?


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Some dogs are incredibly stoic about tooth pain. My Richter fractured a tooth pretty badly. I don't know when he actually did it, because I never saw a single sign of pain - he was still chomping toys and raw knuckle bones. He ended up having the tooth extracted.

I check teeth pretty regularly, and saw the fracture, but I don't check daily (yes, I probably should, but...I don't). I also never saw bleeding, pain, etc. I saw it on a regular inspection.

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I posted this on RedditVetHelp in the Interim. Vet said the same thing Meadow said so Ill ask when I visit Next Week. Vet said its possible for the gum to grow over root. Another dude said it looks genetic.

Gonna need a xray no matter what tho. Hoping its just Congenital adonia, but Im thinking Meadow might be right. I definitely learned my lesson tho. 100% on me, gonna stick to bully sticks.


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Actually from the picture that isn't a molar that's missing--it's a premolar and it kind of looks like there might be two missing.

For the record the most common teeth to be missing are premolars--top or bottom.

If he doesn't seem to be in pain I think you can safely wait for his next regular visit to have it checked out. Also--just a FYI--some puppies retain baby teeth (often where adult premolars should come in) and a casual look might have even a vet assuming that all the permanent teeth were in--then later the baby teeth fall out and no adult tooth ever grow in that space.

If that's what happened it probably would take an x-ray to determine exactly what happened and if an adult tooth broke or just never came in.

Good luck--let us know what you find out.

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Yeah, its just Premolar P2 Missing. The angle makes it look like 2 but the other side just has one more. Used dog chart.

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Yeah, its just Premolar P2 Missing. The angle makes it look like 2 but the other side just has one more. Used dog chart.

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Actually double checked again in clear light he is Missing P2 and P3 Premolar. Thanks for the headsup dobebug.
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Actually double checked again in clear light he is Missing P2 and P3 Premolar. Thanks for the headsup dobebug.
I thought that was a very good picture and it really looked like it was 2 not just one. Be interesting to hear what the vet has to say about it.

Because I've shown Dobes for many years and looked in a lot of mouths because of the potential for a disqualification for missing teeth, over time I've heard most of the explanations (from dental specialists and long time breeders) for why you think that a puppy had a full mouth and then suddenly has missing teeth.

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Went to the Vet today where we just did a check up exam. The doc checked out Odins mouth and felt around the gum. He told me to keep an eye on it for swelling, sensitivity, bleeding but other than that it seems theres no tooth there. In fact on his right side he has an extra premolar, which made it seem like hes missing 2 on the left side. Imagine that. Lol

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