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Dandruff, scabbing and more

I have been lurking the boards for some insight on whats going on with my dobie (Toro)'s skin. I got him from Dobies and Little Paws September of 2017 and he's now around 8 years and a half old.



He had some severe skin issues at that time, real thick skin built up on his elbows, thighs, and heels. He also had some health issues which have all resolved now. He had one specific build-up of skin on one side of his thighs that has gotten much better, but never fully goes away. He does have a problem with flank sucking which has gotten much better, but it should be noted that it's not purely licking but seems to include chewing at times too. Anyway, we are working on that as it seems to be psychological.

His skin though seems to be very flaky. I am using oatmeal and almond shampoo from earth bath and he has been getting fish oil consistently. That seems to have helped, but not made it go away fully. He was on CBD oil for a while for his anxiety/leash aggression and it seemed to help, but was SUPER expensive at close to $160 per month and not covered by insurance.

I am aware that I have been bathing him way too often - 1 time per week. I'm going to step that back, but I'm not sure how often that should be. At times his whole back is covered in flakes and it just looks awful.

I have been feeding him Acana Regionals Meadowlands. I'm not sure if this is considered a high grade food. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
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Has he had a complete thyroid blood panel. Not just T4 it needs to be a complete thyroid panel. A lot of Dobermans get Hypothyroid. Also has he been seen by a vet dermatologist. I say this because they are the experts One of the shampoos that my vet dermatologist recommends is TrizCHLOR4. I only bath my dobies at the most 2X a year. The CBD oil that I have purchased is from PetReleaf 1700 and cost around $82. I use this to help when I dermal their nails weekly I feed Fromm Pork and Applesauce and they get daily Salmon Oil from Grizzly Salmon Oil, make sure it is their food supplement.
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Acana Meadowlands is generally considered a very high quality kibble. It is, however, grain free. Feeding grain free kibble has become a controversy as of late due to a possible association with DCM.

Our 5 1/2 yo was fed it for several years until we switched to Purina ProPlan Salmon and Rice due to all of the hoopla over grain free. He did extremely well on Acana. Basically his skin and coat were perfect and still are.

As far as bathing, in over 5 years, McCoy has never had an actual bath. I occasionally hose him down with cool water or wipe him down with a damp clean towel. Keep in mind that I am not suggesting that one should never bathe their Dobes, this is simply what has worked for us. I also never brush him. If he ever gets a bit seasonally itchy, I lightly spray him with an aloe, Lidocaine and water mix that I make and wipe him down with a terry towel.

He also gets a daily supplement of fish oil and Vitamin A.

Like dobegal ^^^, I would also recommend a complete thyroid panel. Hypothyroidism is extremely common in Dobermans at that age. And skin issues are often a prevalent symptom of Hypothyroidism. Once diagnosed, it is generally both easy and inexpensive condition to control.

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I agree with Dobegal, a FULL Thyroid Panel. Hypothyroid or Low Thyroid is very common in Dobes, particularly when they get older. Welcome!


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Same on the thyroid panel - that's the first thing I would do.

There's a lot of controversy about food, and you'll get a lot of different opinions. I personally feed Proplan, and I feed my nearly 8 year old the Bright Mind version. He does fantastic on it. Great coat. He's also on Dasuquin with MSM (there's some anecdotal stories about MSM helping with coat, but no science to back that).

My dogs get 1000 EPA of fish oil daily, with one vitamin E capsule, too.


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Has he had a complete thyroid blood panel. Not just T4 it needs to be a complete thyroid panel. A lot of Dobermans get Hypothyroid. Also has he been seen by a vet dermatologist. I say this because they are the experts One of the shampoos that my vet dermatologist recommends is TrizCHLOR4. I only bath my dobies at the most 2X a year. The CBD oil that I have purchased is from PetReleaf 1700 and cost around $82. I use this to help when I dermal their nails weekly I feed Fromm Pork and Applesauce and they get daily Salmon Oil from Grizzly Salmon Oil, make sure it is their food supplement.
I definitely recomend full thyroid panels for any dog that has coat problems.

And I recommend using MSU (Michigan State's Vet School for doing a full panel. Just t4 or even T4 and Free 4 aren't enough to get all of the information you get from a full thyroid test which is 6 parts.

Also one of the things that will produce lots of dandruff is folliculitis and the chlorhexiderm shampoos are the best for controlling that. It also helps to bathe in cool to cold water and do not scrub at the dogs coat when bathing--thin the shampoo and apply with a clean sponge of clean wash cloth in the direction of the lay of the hair. At most use your fingertips to move the shampoo around on the skin. Rinse, rinse more--cool to cold water and at the very end mix a couple of cups of plain old white vinegar in a gallon of water and pour it over the dog--let him shake it off--don't even towel him dry--let him air dry and he'll stop smelling like a salad as soon as he's dry but the vinegar helps the skin to maintain a proper pH balance.

If you are feeding any fish oil (salmon or any other fish oil) you should be adding at least 200 iu of Vitamin E to every 1,000 mg of fish oil as the Vitamin E is used in processing the fish oil.

The only time my Dobes get bathed fairly frequently is when they are being shown--they get bathed before a show weekend. But if now showing at most they get wiped down with a damp terry cloth towel--they might get a real bath a couple times a year.

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