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Does anyone have solutions for my dobie's non stop ear infections or itchy ears? I've tried allergy shots, allergy pills, antibiotics, steroids and cleaning them out constantly but the itchiness and irritation always comes back. Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
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Un-cropped ears are likely the problem.

This article may help:
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/he...ar-infections/
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I glanced at the article Yulie posted--one thing which jumped out at me in the list of possible causes:

"Endocrine disorders, such as thyroid disease"

Dobes are well-known for being hypothyroid...on an off chance, have you had his thyroid checked?
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The only thing that we used to clear up a ear infection was Animax Ointment - used 8 - 10 drops per ear - twice a day for 14 days , But you have to get it from the Vet . It always worked - So need to talk to your Vet .

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I have not had her thyroid checked. She has a vet appt tomorrow so I will definitely ask them about that. Thank you!
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Thank you. I'm wishing I cropped her ears more and more lately
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Not sure it's necessarily an issue with cropping verses not cropping. Have you consulted with a specialist? Could it be allergies?
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Un-cropped ears are likely the problem.
Which is why the only dog I've ever had with recurring ear problems is a GSD with naturally erect ears....

As mentioned, thyroid issues can cause a lot of different things. You will want to get a full panel done, which needs to be sent to an outside lab. It will give a more accurate picture of what's going on that the in-office test for just T3.


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Which is why the only dog I've ever had with recurring ear problems is a GSD with naturally erect ears....

As mentioned, thyroid issues can cause a lot of different things. You will want to get a full panel done, which needs to be sent to an outside lab. It will give a more accurate picture of what's going on that the in-office test for just T3.
I was going off with what the article said. With respect to Dobermans and not GSDs, ear infection issues seem to be more common with un-copped ears than cropped.

Overall, OP should do a full health check to cover all basis.

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I would wonder about allergies, too. Or perhaps something in the food that is causing recurring problems. I know that food is rarely the actual problem, but I had a dog with recurring ear and skin infections and, in his case after much testing and consulting with a specialist, he couldn't do any sort of potato in his food.
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I have not had her thyroid checked. She has a vet appt tomorrow so I will definitely ask them about that. Thank you!
A full thyroid panel is what is recommended for Dobes. You couldn't even believe how common it is for Dobes to be hypothyroid which can lead to a hole array for symptoms including things like ears that seem to be infected a lot and coat and skin problems.

there are 6 parts to a full thyroid panel: T4, Free T4 (or sometimes shown as T4 by ED, T3 , Free T3, TSH and TgAA. And MSU (the vet school at Michigan State still is the gold standard for full panels.

You can go to the MSU web site and they have a section where they list who does full panels (the only one I can ever remember without looking it up is the vet school at Texas A & M.

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I haven't gone to a specialist. Just keep going back to her vet. I thought it was allergies so they gave her a shot and allergy medicine which worked for two weeks but not the ear infection came right back. She's had ear probably practically since I got her at 8 weeks old
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Thank you for all of the info! So for her to get her thyroid checked I would have to find a specialist and it is not something that can be done at her vet?
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Okay that makes sense. What is an OP? Sorry Im really new to all this and she is my first dobie
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Okay that makes sense. What is an OP? Sorry Im really new to all this and she is my first dobie
OP is shorthand for "original poster" or "original post", depending on whether someone is taking about the fist post in a thread or the person who started a thread.
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The blood tests will need to be sent away to a "specialist" laboratory, but your ordinary vet can get the blood drawn and help treat it.

But given that you've had so many problems with her, you really should go to a dermatologist/allergist specialist to get a good diagnosis on what is going on. If you can't find one locally or are worried about the cost, you can also try whatever vet school is near you.

Once you get a diagnosis, your ordinary vet may be able to handle a lot of the treatment, in consultation with the specialist.

It sounds like you guys have simply tried a little bit of everything without truly knowing what is going on...since none of those treatments seem to have done much good, a specific diagnosis from a specialist is really what you need here.
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Thank you so much! This is very helpful. I will definitely look around for vet schools. I really appreciate the advice
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She's had ear probably practically since I got her at 8 weeks old


This is what caught my eye , When Little Ali girl came here , she was 11 weeks old , We were to pick her up at 10 weeks - Can't remember why pickup was put off now , but it was , Anyway - After we got her home , she started to dig at her ears , and took her right to the Vets , Yep , she had a ear infection and was treated for it , It seemed to be a chronic thing with her , We had every test done in the book on her , yet is still would flare up now and then - It may have been a months or years and it would show back up , that was till she got to be around 9 or 10 , then she never had one again , I always wondered , Why ?? I really think it was a environment deal going on - it always seemed to be in the winter time . Going out in the cold - wind blowing ? beats me . Then one day my lovely wife and I was talking about a friends young kid - they seemed to get a ear infection every whip stich , Much like Ali , Just could be a immune deal going on and then they grown out of it .

Best of luck AND please keep us updated on what you find - All info is a great thing
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Thank you so much for your story! I'm kind of thinking Karma might similar to your Ali girl. It does seem like the cold and moisture set the ear problems off even more for her. I've actually considered it being an environment thing too. We took a trip to Arizona a couple weeks ago and for the whole week there she had no ear issues, wasn't licking her paws or anything, ran around and seemed more energized and happier. We get back to Sacramento and not even a day in she isn't as energetic and boom a few days later her ears are acting up and she's getting another one and licking her paws again. It could be coincidence but I just thought that was interesting... Anyways, I'm taking her to a different vet this morning to try to get answers so I will keep you updated with our findings! I do have one question though- do you think all the testing was worth it if it didn't really give you any answers in the long run? I'm just worried about being able to afford the cost of all that but I do want to get down to the root cause if I can. Thanks again!
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I do have one question though- do you think all the testing was worth it if it didn't really give you any answers in the long run? I'm just worried about being able to afford the cost of all that but I do want to get down to the root cause if I can. Thanks again!


Absolutely ! What your doing is ruling out any problems .

I know it cost money - but what your doing is establishing a base line - like with the full blood work ups , thyroid tests , what ever , then as your Dober gets older you can see if anything raises or values increase .

I keep a 3 ring binder on all our dogs - I can refer to them any time , Meds , Tests , results , every Vet appointment , food , the dogs weight , everything is kept there .

If you don't do this , then 3 years down the road and you have a problem - or think you do - what do you have to compare results or tests too ?

It's money well spent in my opinion

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I do have one question though- do you think all the testing was worth it if it didn't really give you any answers in the long run? I'm just worried about being able to afford the cost of all that but I do want to get down to the root cause if I can. Thanks again!
You should check with the vet first and see what they say. Perhaps, doing one test at a time to rule out possible issues will be more cost effective, instead of doing everything all at once.
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do you think all the testing was worth it if it didn't really give you any answers in the long run?

Yulie --- I take that statement from karmabear as the testing was already done --- And was it worth it when they didn't find anything - My take is if you don't do the testing , then how will they get to the root of the problem ??

Some tests are done in combination - like the blood work up and thyroid , and one way to look at it is how may Office charges are you going to rack up over time time doing one at a time + your dog is still not right ? I will admit - When one of ours is not feeling well - I tend to push the testing harder than most .

I'm not implying to go crazy yet talk to the Vet and come up with a good plan - as if this test don't show anything - then what ? Next step ?? Costs involved ?

It will be interesting to her back from her later on as to what they found - or didn't

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do you think all the testing was worth it if it didn't really give you any answers in the long run?

Yulie --- I take that statement from karmabear as the testing was already done --- And was it worth it when they didn't find anything - My take is if you don't do the testing , then how will they get to the root of the problem ??

Some tests are done in combination - like the blood work up and thyroid , and one way to look at it is how may Office charges are you going to rack up over time time doing one at a time + your dog is still not right ? I will admit - When one of ours is not feeling well - I tend to push the testing harder than most .

I'm not implying to go crazy yet talk to the Vet and come up with a good plan - as if this test don't show anything - then what ? Next step ?? Costs involved ?

It will be interesting to her back from her later on as to what they found - or didn't

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I was not attacking you.

I wasn't sure whether the testing was done because the OP said they were worried about $$$$$. My concern is that a lot of vets tend to suggest expensive testing that may not amount to anything, and the OP is concerned about the cost.

For example, my puppy had diarrhea issues since December that kept coming back. He was tested for parasites twice and both tests came back negative. The vet prescribed Flagyl every time we went back with the same issue. Then the vet suggested a $200 dollar test for a more through testing. I went to another vet for a 2nd opinion. She said that my dog most likely did not have parasites, I just needed to change his diet. I changed his diet to lamb & rice kibble and it seemed to have worked. I also added a turkey and pumpkin topper. Previously, I fed him grain-free food without toppers.

I hope OP fixes the ear infection issue. It sounds horrible.
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Thank you for all of the info! So for her to get her thyroid checked I would have to find a specialist and it is not something that can be done at her vet?
No it doesn't have to be done by a specialist. The full thyroid panel--that is--it's just that not all testing labs can do all the parts (TgAA is the one that is only done a few places)--the rest of the labs send part of the sample they are testing to someone who does.

Your regular vet can look at the requirements for sending a sample to MSU--they specify what kind of tube--how it should be packed and often MSU is actually less expensive than having it done by a lab like IDEXX or Antech (two of the big labs)--and I know for sure that IDEXX now sends MSU part of the sample to do the TgAA . Not sure about Antech.

My suggestion was only that you might want to check with a specialist to see if they thought it was what your vet was treating your dog for. But that was primarily because I didn't know at the time if you'd even tried a specialist yet.

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