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I am in need of advice if anyone can help. I have 13 week old Dobermann puppy (Bentley) who I bought from a KC registered breeder, their house seemed clean and parents healthy and well mannered. Within a day of Bentley being with us it was evident that he was poorly being lethargic and having significant diahorrea. I immediately took him to the vets who prescribed a diet of rice and chicken and gave me some promax, I was also asked to send off a stool sample which I did. Unfortunately this came back with a positive diagnosis of giardia, salmonella and campylobacter. Initially we were prescribed panacur to clear up the giardia and then metronidazole to clear all three. After the medication was finished we submitted more stool samples which have today come back as still positive for salmonella.
Bentleys diahorrea has still been a problem for him and he has also had pain after eating which he is currently taking antepsin and Pro-Kolin enterogenic for.

The problem I have is the vet wants to prescribe Sulfatrim to clear the salmonella. He is aware of the dangers but doesnít see another option given how poorly Bentley has been. I have an appointment with the vet tomorrow to discuss this and any other options.

If I can I want to avoid this medication but I cant find an alternative.

I am not fully aware of the side effects that can happen with my dobie but I do know it isnít a very safe drug for him.

At the moment Bentley isnít to poorly and has more energy and seems mostly like a healthy puppy, so I am unsure what direction to take.

If anybody could inform me of the dangers of this drug or offer advice on dealing with salmonella I would be very grateful.

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I have heard the same about sulfonamides but I couldn't remember what the reactions were. I used the googles and found this:

http://www.dpca.org/BreedEd/PDF/018%20NSAIDS.pdf

Seems like there could be a reaction but people do say to use it as a last resort if nothing else is working.
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Thanks for your reply. I have read a lot online and am struggling to find and alternative option. Any advice would be gratefully received.

Has anyone had experience of these side effects? Or know of any long term complications?
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Thanks for your reply. I have read a lot online and am struggling to find and alternative option. Any advice would be gratefully received.

Has anyone had experience of these side effects? Or know of any long term complications?
I don't know if you have had your puppy seen by a vet internist but I'd do that before I'd put a Dobe on a sulfonamide.

I can tell you all about sulfonamide reactiona in people (it's a common drug allergy)--and I am wildly allergic to all sulfonamides not just the potentiated sulfonamides (Sulfatrim is a potentiated sulfonamide)--and I've had Dobes since 1959 and the only sulfonamide any Dobe of mine has been medicated with is Albon (this contains a sulfonamide radical but rarely causes any kind of reaction.)

Have they run a culture and sensativity test to see what drugs this salmonella is actually affected by? If not I'd certainly want that before I'd go for Sulfatrim as a last resort.

Doberman's as you've found from your reading are a breed that is noticeably more likely to react to sulfa drugs. For me the first reaction is hives and that is almost instant--the last time a doctor missed the information in my medical file that clearly says no sulfonamides and prescribed them--and I didn't notice (not paying sufficient attention to labels) what had been prescribed--I took one tablet and before I even finished drinking the glass of water I had a full batch of hives starting at my scalp and working it's way down my body. Reactions can vary (for people and Dobes) but the severe ones can kill a dog--the drug will cause an anaphylactic shock reaction.

Not all Dobermans react to sulfonamids but enough do that when antibiotics were fairly new and the sulfonamides were much more widely used it turned out that a whole lot of people and several specific breeds of dogs were reactive to all sulfonamides but the potentiated sulfonamides like Sulfatrim were much more likely to create the reactions. And that's the reason that the medical recommendations are to NOT use them on Dobermans.

Today--there are many new antibiotics that can be used instead of a sulfonamide. That's why they should have (or should if they haven't already) run a culture and sensitivity.

It's really unfortunate that for a few things (and I wasn't aware that salmonella was one of them) the sulfonamides are the most effective treatment (to say nothing of being one of the least expensive).

I wish you the best of luck on this. Please let us know what you decide to do and what works--it helps to be able to pass this information on when the question comes up (and the sulfonamide question comes up fairly often).

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Do you have a veterinary school you can access near you? They will have the most current treatment. At worse case, Iíd request for my vet to consult with them. Iíd locate all the info for the internal medicine division at the nearest vet school to provide to your vet as a help.

This breeder should be named and shamed. A good breeder would be mortified and would help with expenses.

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