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Overly clumsy pup?

Watson is my second dobe pup so I have seen the awkward puppy stage of being all legs and feet before. However he seems to be more clumsy than any other dobe pups that I have interacted with as well as my previous dobe. Stairs are a big problem for him. He seems to have a hard time going up and down stairs. With more issues going down than up. He will stumble/trip fall over himself as he goes up the stairs(not trying to run up the stairs but going slowly up the stairs.) He looks very uncoordinated about it. Has anyone had any similar issues with their pups just being super clumsy? Or any idea what might be causing it? He does have a vet appointment Friday.
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Mr. Business was probably the most awkward puppy we have had - he would try to stay up with Ali and the next thing you knew , he was rolling head over heals , He was very hesitant of the basement stairs . We sort of backed off working with him on them - didn't want he rolling down them - then as he got his " feet " under him . I personally think he is OK , but it is always best to check with the Vet ! Can't be to careful
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Kya was a very clumsy puppy (still clumsy) but usually it was when she was in drive or playing.
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Have you posted any pictures of Watson? I'd like to see his feet and a picture from the side.
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How old is he?
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I have posted a few pics of him but I will try to get a good pic of him from side as well as his feet. He is 16 almost 17 weeks old. I posted the pics under the puppy corner. Admittedly he started out as my brothers puppy but then he had some serious life changes and couldn't find a place that would rent to him with a dobe. As I couldn't stand to see him end up in the shelter I went ahead and took him in. I'll see if I can get a video with him trying to go up the stairs. I always make sure that I'm right there to catch him so he won't go tumbling down the stairs. It mostly seems to be his back end that is more uncoordinated than his front. I definitely expect him to be somewhat clumsy, especially when running and being crazy but its also when he is calm and just wondering the living room. I am hoping that hes just clumsy and its nothing to worry about. I had him out for a walk with Loki and it almost seemed like he was at times kinda bunny hopping with his back end? I'll also try to get some video of that later today.
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Oh dear. Bunny hopping in a puppy that age is immediate concern for a vet. X-rays and full exam to start. Bunny hopping is a sign of pain and or movement issues. You won’t know what areas are affected without a good exam and X-rays- even that may not reveal a lot of details if it is, for example, a spine injury. In the meantime, until your appointment, I would absolutely not allow him to play with any children or dogs as don’t ask him to chase balls or throw things causing him to run.

Did anyone notice any issues when he was first brought home? Has he had any accident playing, a fall, etc? Think carefully and have that information for the vet. Also, if you have video from when he first came home to compare to now that can be very helpful.

Good luck and please keep us posted. Hope it’s just an acute injury he can heal from with rest and care. Puppies get those all the time!
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I don't recall any falls or accidents. Hes always been supervised when out of his crate or ex-pen. He doesn't get to play with the kids due to the sharp teeth issue and until hes got some more house manners figured out. He also doesn't get any unsupervised time with my other dog and he was an only pet with my brother. My brother did take a couple videos when he first came home and he was just as clumsy then. I'm trying to upload the videos to my computer to share. In his first video he took of Watson out in his backyard I did notice a little bit of a bunny hop. He has his appointment on Friday so I'll be keeping a close eye on him until then. I am hoping that its nothing serious but he will be getting xrays done at his appointment. Loki my maligator was a crazy puppy and seemed to be super accident prone for the fist 18 months. Thankfully hes started to settle down some now and can actually relax around the house a little. But after having lived through him and the puppy stage, Watson has been so much easier.
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I upload to youtube and then download it here when I want to post videos on DT. In case you're running into trouble with your method.
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Just having issues getting the camera to play nice with my laptop. It'll start to download and then I get an error message and it starts all over again.
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This thread is reminding me of this one https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-c...lks-weird.html
Maybe some info in there for Nowaki?
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This thread is reminding me of this one https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-c...lks-weird.html
Maybe some info in there for Nowaki?
He definitely does the butt sway walk the same as this pup is showing but my previous dobe also had the swagger walk as I called it when he was a pup. I'm still having issues uploading issues but I did find a youtube video of a pup doing the same weird walk as my pup does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJUqD0NWqM

The vet took xrays but unfortunately they didn't show anything. He does unfortunately have a heart murmur as well that the vet detected during his exam. When standing if you try to put his back feet over onto the toes he does not immediately right the foot back into the correct position. He does not have the issue with the front feet.
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I am having some issues trying to resize the photos but am currently posting from my phone so I apologize in advance.

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He definitely does the butt sway walk the same as this pup is showing but my previous dobe also had the swagger walk as I called it when he was a pup. I'm still having issues uploading issues but I did find a youtube video of a pup doing the same weird walk as my pup does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJUqD0NWqM
The dog in that video is pacing, as I mentioned in the other thread. That one also has a really low, incorrect tail set.

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The dog in that video is pacing, as I mentioned in the other thread. That one also has a really low, incorrect tail set.
I agree that he is pacing in the video but I was trying to find a video where the pup is at times dragging their back feet while walking. Basically dragging their toes a little while moving the foot forward instead of picking it up and moving it forward. While it is not at all of the time thing it is something that concerns me as he will do it in the yard as well as when walking down the sidewalk. My regular vet did give me a referral to an orthopedic vet that I will be calling on Monday to make an appointment.
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He definitely does the butt sway walk the same as this pup is showing but my previous dobe also had the swagger walk as I called it when he was a pup. I'm still having issues uploading issues but I did find a youtube video of a pup doing the same weird walk as my pup does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyJUqD0NWqM

The vet took xrays but unfortunately they didn't show anything. He does unfortunately have a heart murmur as well that the vet detected during his exam. When standing if you try to put his back feet over onto the toes he does not immediately right the foot back into the correct position. He does not have the issue with the front feet.
To address the issue of the heart murmur - you can talk with a cardiologist, but my understanding is that a heart murmur, even in a Doberman, is not necessarily something that is cause for concern and they can outgrow it. Personally, I'd probably have it checked with a cardiologist because I'm a worrier and I'd want a baseline to check again later, but that's me.
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I do plan to get it checked out by a cardiologist to get a base line and keep an eye on it. My vet said that it sounded like a grade III murmur. So it does concern me but hopefully its nothing serious and easily fixed if need be.
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