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Another Chloe thread....I need help...she is sick

Good Afternoon,

Sorry, I have been away for a while. We moved 800 miles back to Virginia. I have been very busy with the move and trying to find new jobs. We are living with Bob's mom until we find the right house to buy.

Chloe had kennel cough in March. I went back and forth to the vet because the cough would not clear. She was taken to the cardio doctor for a ultrasound and given the all clear. Heart in great shape. The cardio dr. said the cough should clear up soon. And it did for the most part. She said it could take a while before it was totally gone. We move at the end of July. I think it was a hard move on Chloe. Within a few days she got the "runs" and the coughing returned. Off to the vet we go...only a little bacteria growth. She did get a few licks of ocean water. The vet said the stress, ocean water, and bacteria was probably the cause for the upset tummy. However, they want her to come in in 2 weeks if the cough is still present. A few days later she is sick, she wont eat....a real red flag for Chloe. We take her in that day. She has a fever. They take x-rays of her chest. They find a mass...the vet said its probably cancer. We need to take her to the emergency doctor. we do...they get her stable and do a biopsy of her lung...looking for cancer, bac. pneumonia, and fungal pneum. The radiologist says its not a defined mass.
So it could be pneum. or cancer. She is there for 2 days. We pick her up and she starts running a fever again and wont eat. We stay with her until the fever breaks and she starts feeling better. Much better

Then on Wednesday she goes back in for a check up and more x-rays. There is no change to the x-rays and not bacterial growth. we are still waiting for the fungal growth test results. She came home sick feeling, but is starting to feel better. She coughed all night last night. I wake up every time, I feel so bad for her. I started a new job yesterday and I'm so tired from not sleeping. We are up with her all the time. Sometimes I sleep next to her on the floor if she's not feeling well.

This is what she has been checked for....First Round
1. Biopsy of lung tissue--consolidated and inflamed, some cells were abnormal but that could be from inflammation or it could be cancer/looked for fungal infection, mycobacterial infection, and protozoal infection--negative so far

2. Miravista urine antigen
Blastomyces--none detected
Histoplasma-- ''

3. Cultures
Aerobic and anaerobic bacterial--no growth so far
Fungal--no growth so far--could take up to 4 weeks to grow

Second Round
1. Second round of x-rays unchanged--Undefined mass on accessory lower lobe.

Toxoplasmosis--results pending
Neospora--''

They said it still could be bacterial, fungal, or cancer....

If the results are still inconclusive... they want to do a CT scan and then remove part of her lung. This will cost another 6-8K. I don't know what to do....Chloe is not doing well... I don't know if we should put her through all of that....this is very hard on all of us. We love her so much. I hate to bring money into this but we are 6K in so far. We do have insurance but its still expensive. Both of us have been out of work for 2 months because of the move. On top of this we are staying with family right now!!! Please help....I don't know what to do. Any suggestion of what it could be?

I know this long....sorry. Robin
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If they are still considering the possibility of a bacterial or fungal infection, at this point when the next thing they want to do is surgery, will they consider putting her on antibiotics and/or fungal medication just to see if that helps things?

Or have you already been down that road?
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Blueberry, I am so sorry to read this, but I am no good at offering any advice. My heart goes out to you. Only one time have I been in the situation with a dog that the vet could not find what was
wrong. I had imported a Staffybull from UK and she was sick soon after. Surgeries, every kind of antibiotic, bacterial or viral, they could not determine which. Many, many tests done on the poor little girl. It has always been a mystery. So much $$$$ spent on her which I don't regret, but what we put her thru I do regret. I still think about it. I am just so sorry you and Chloe are going through this. I can only offer my best thoughts and prayers for you.
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I'm so sorry that Chloe is not well. I have no words of wisdom. Hopefully one of her tests will come back with a conclusive diagnosis and you can go from there planning your next steps. Hugs to you.



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If they are still considering the possibility of a bacterial or fungal infection, at this point when the next thing they want to do is surgery, will they consider putting her on antibiotics and/or fungal medication just to see if that helps things?

Or have you already been down that road?
We are on a double dose of antibiotics right now. She finished the first course and started the second course yesterday. I think they are waiting to see if the fungal culture grows before we go that route.
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Blueberry, I am so sorry to read this, but I am no good at offering any advice. My heart goes out to you. Only one time have I been in the situation with a dog that the vet could not find what was
wrong. I had imported a Staffybull from UK and she was sick soon after. Surgeries, every kind of antibiotic, bacterial or viral, they could not determine which. Many, many tests done on the poor little girl. It has always been a mystery. So much $$$$ spent on her which I don't regret, but what we put her thru I do regret. I still think about it. I am just so sorry you and Chloe are going through this. I can only offer my best thoughts and prayers for you.
Thank you so much! I'm sorry you had to go that. This is just nuts! She's 9 and I don't know if I want to put her through the surgery. And then if we find nothing out....the vet is talking about her like she is a "case to solve" and not my beloved pet....I hate to think of the money right now but we kind of have to....staying with family is kind of hard. And my teaching certificate has not came through yet so I being paid as a long tern sub.
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I'm so sorry that Chloe is not well. I have no words of wisdom. Hopefully one of her tests will come back with a conclusive diagnosis and you can go from there planning your next steps. Hugs to you.
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Sorry you're all going through this, I hope you get some answers soon and your girl gets well!



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First, I'm SO sorry - I can't imagine how stressful this is for you.

A couple of questions. You said Chloe has seen the cardiologist and her heart looked good. Just to clarify that - did she have both an echo and a 24 hour holter done? I only ask because I do know dogs can have completely normal echos even in full fledged DCM, but have very abnormal holters, even in the end stages. I don't know if that would be true with CHF, which would produce the coughing, but, just to rule that out as a possibility?

Like Mel said, if you're looking for "what would you do" types of advice....my *personal* inclination with a senior dog would probably be to wait and see if the medications do anything...wait long enough to see if it may in fact be fungal or bacterial. I honestly am not sure I would put a 9 year old through that kind of surgery - it would be a really tough call for me. It's not just the financial component (and I don't think it's wrong for that to be a factor, insurance or not), but simply the affect that such a surgery has on a senior dog and the quality of life. I don't think it's a wrong decision if that's what your gut is telling you.

If you feel like you want to do the surgery, I also don't think that's a "wrong" decision, though. I think it really depends on whether you think she's physically up to such a surgery, whether you can handle the stress of it (financially, emotionally, etc).

It's so incredibly stressful when there isn't an easy answer of what the problem is in the first place, because then we can't even weigh the options very well. I'll be thinking of you guys. I don't think you can make a bad decision here - any decision you make will be one you make out of love for Chloe, and that's all any of us can do. You'll do the very best you can for her with the information you have.
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Sorry to read this BB . Hope Chloe gets well very quick .

I agree with MC , I would do every test there is before a surgery on a senior + you said she is not eating very good . Did you ask what the Drs thought on her chances ? Either way , with or with out surgery ? Time ? Is she at a pet hospital ? Or being treated at one ?


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BB ,I would also like to add , if you have any questions about your baby , get a second opinion ! I don’t if this just happened to us , but you can take your dog to two different vets and sometimes , get two completely different opinions , this happened a month ago with our Miss Ali . Ask questions to your vet , NO question is a dumb question and done be intimidated , ask away .

We do lots of research here on the farm , I also do this with our Dobers ! When talking to our vets , I like to be prepared as to what there saying , yes , ole Doc has pizzed off one or two , with my research = questions , matter of fact , one said I read to much , lol knowledge is knowledge !

Now my question time how is Chloe ? Like does still have a routine she always had ? Play ball or what ever ? What are her eyes telling you ? Eyes tell a lot !

I wish you the best , I know , it’s a tuff deal , you have lots of great friends and support on here , lean on them , if need be ,

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We are on a double dose of antibiotics right now. She finished the first course and started the second course yesterday. I think they are waiting to see if the fungal culture grows before we go that route.
This is something I have some experience with, with both people and animals. ANY time antibiotics are given, they kill off the good bacteria as well as the bad, however, they have absolutely no effect on fungal or yeast organisms, which will grow out of all proportion when there are no good "policemen" bacteria to keep them in check. Some otherwise harmless yeast organisms, for example, when left to grow unchecked, will change and grow a tail and start burrowing through intestinal walls and getting into the bloodstream and other organs. In all my years (and I'm getting to be a pretty old fart now), I've only had one vet that even considered the possibility of fungal overgrowth after a course of antibiotics. And now Cloe is on a double course. Ask your vet what their plan is to correct her gut imbalance.

Antibiotics can be a life-saver, and there is a time and place for them, but too many doctors (and vets) prescribe them willy-nilly, without thought of the consequences down the road. I know you said Chloe has a diagnosed bacterial infection, so this is one of those times they'd be necessary, and do some good, but it's destroyed her gut flora and that can make anyone feel like crap. I just finished a course of antibiotics myself, for a tooth abscess, and it about knocked me silly. I'm slowly recovering by taking a probiotic with 60 billion live cultures (that's a lot) twice a day, but it's going to take a while before I'm back to normal.

When Chloe is finished with the antibiotic, get your vet to give you an antifungal for her to help get rid of the excess fungal growth, and put her on a good (human grade) probiotic. Find one that's in capsules and is refrigerated. Tablets and capsules out on a shelf will be pretty ineffective. Refrigeration keeps them dormant, so they live long enough to make it to your gut. And the heat required to make and press a tablet pretty much kills off any good bacteria. I don't know if it's OK to put brand names in a post, but there are two that I have used that are really good, and I can give you the names of them if you want to PM me.

Some of Chloe's problems could just be the effects of the antibiotics. It's nothing to sneeze at. So finish them out, but don't make any decisions until you have her intestinal flora re-balanced and she's healthy again in her gut. THEN reassess.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. I just went through a mystery with my 9 year old girl and we were unable to find her problem. I hope with all my heart that you can figure out what's going on with Chloe. I'm pulling for her. AND you. I know very well the stress you're under trying to care for her. I can't imagine adding being jobless and just having moved to that stress. Hugs to you, dear one.
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Wonder how Chloe is doing ? I hope she is getting better !
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First, I'm SO sorry - I can't imagine how stressful this is for you.

A couple of questions. You said Chloe has seen the cardiologist and her heart looked good. Just to clarify that - did she have both an echo and a 24 hour holter done? I only ask because I do know dogs can have completely normal echos even in full fledged DCM, but have very abnormal holters, even in the end stages. I don't know if that would be true with CHF, which would produce the coughing, but, just to rule that out as a possibility?

Like Mel said, if you're looking for "what would you do" types of advice....my *personal* inclination with a senior dog would probably be to wait and see if the medications do anything...wait long enough to see if it may in fact be fungal or bacterial. I honestly am not sure I would put a 9 year old through that kind of surgery - it would be a really tough call for me. It's not just the financial component (and I don't think it's wrong for that to be a factor, insurance or not), but simply the affect that such a surgery has on a senior dog and the quality of life. I don't think it's a wrong decision if that's what your gut is telling you.

If you feel like you want to do the surgery, I also don't think that's a "wrong" decision, though. I think it really depends on whether you think she's physically up to such a surgery, whether you can handle the stress of it (financially, emotionally, etc).

It's so incredibly stressful when there isn't an easy answer of what the problem is in the first place, because then we can't even weigh the options very well. I'll be thinking of you guys. I don't think you can make a bad decision here - any decision you make will be one you make out of love for Chloe, and that's all any of us can do. You'll do the very best you can for her with the information you have.
Please excuse my delay....I wanted to spend all weekend with Chloe. No, she has not had a recent holter. I was not aware she could have DCM with a clear ultrasound. Yikes! I'll look into that. Thank You

I really don't want to put her through a lung reduction. I think she's too old to go through it. I guess I was looking for someone to say its alright to not have it. It's so stressful... we love her so much. I need to get out of the mindset that if we spend enough money that we can fix her. We have been down this road before with Blueberry. The outcome was not good. I guess we are still hopeful it's pneumonia.

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We are still awaiting test results. Hope to hear something this week.
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Sorry to read this BB . Hope Chloe gets well very quick .

I agree with MC , I would do every test there is before a surgery on a senior + you said she is not eating very good . Did you ask what the Drs thought on her chances ? Either way , with or with out surgery ? Time ? Is she at a pet hospital ? Or being treated at one ?


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The vets are still running test and waiting for results. Once the results are in...then we will have that talk. She is home now. She was in the hospital. We probably will not have surgery. Bob and I agreed that she is too old, so we are trying everything else. The one thing I don't like is the DR. is starting to refer to her as a 'interesting case" I don't really like that....she's my family. Thank you for your thoughts.
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This is something I have some experience with, with both people and animals. ANY time antibiotics are given, they kill off the good bacteria as well as the bad, however, they have absolutely no effect on fungal or yeast organisms, which will grow out of all proportion when there are no good "policemen" bacteria to keep them in check. Some otherwise harmless yeast organisms, for example, when left to grow unchecked, will change and grow a tail and start burrowing through intestinal walls and getting into the bloodstream and other organs. In all my years (and I'm getting to be a pretty old fart now), I've only had one vet that even considered the possibility of fungal overgrowth after a course of antibiotics. And now Cloe is on a double course. Ask your vet what their plan is to correct her gut imbalance.

Antibiotics can be a life-saver, and there is a time and place for them, but too many doctors (and vets) prescribe them willy-nilly, without thought of the consequences down the road. I know you said Chloe has a diagnosed bacterial infection, so this is one of those times they'd be necessary, and do some good, but it's destroyed her gut flora and that can make anyone feel like crap. I just finished a course of antibiotics myself, for a tooth abscess, and it about knocked me silly. I'm slowly recovering by taking a probiotic with 60 billion live cultures (that's a lot) twice a day, but it's going to take a while before I'm back to normal.

When Chloe is finished with the antibiotic, get your vet to give you an antifungal for her to help get rid of the excess fungal growth, and put her on a good (human grade) probiotic. Find one that's in capsules and is refrigerated. Tablets and capsules out on a shelf will be pretty ineffective. Refrigeration keeps them dormant, so they live long enough to make it to your gut. And the heat required to make and press a tablet pretty much kills off any good bacteria. I don't know if it's OK to put brand names in a post, but there are two that I have used that are really good, and I can give you the names of them if you want to PM me.

Some of Chloe's problems could just be the effects of the antibiotics. It's nothing to sneeze at. So finish them out, but don't make any decisions until you have her intestinal flora re-balanced and she's healthy again in her gut. THEN reassess.

I'm so sorry you're having to go through this. I just went through a mystery with my 9 year old girl and we were unable to find her problem. I hope with all my heart that you can figure out what's going on with Chloe. I'm pulling for her. AND you. I know very well the stress you're under trying to care for her. I can't imagine adding being jobless and just having moved to that stress. Hugs to you, dear one.
Thank you so much! Its so overwhelming! She will be done with the antibiotics on Wednesday. We have have and will cont. with the probiotic. Thanks for the tip about the antifungal...we will look into that. Thank you for you kind thoughts.
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Chloe is home and resting. She still wants to go on walks but eating has been a challenge. Her meds will be finished on Wednesday. I hope her some of her drive to eat comes back. I have never had a hard time getting her to eat in the past. She's kind of a hog! I'll update once we receive results.

Thank you to everyone for your kind words and thoughts. Chloe is dear to us...She is the oldest doberman I have had as an adult. Huckleberry was 6.5 and Blueberry was 4 when they died. We are just in a state. The Chloe, move, new jobs, and not having our own house yet has been tough. Another teacher walked in my classroom on Friday and I was crying....the first time I meet this man....he probably thinks I'm nuts!!! Not a great first impression....
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Blueberry , you might ask the vet about putting her on some prednisone, 20 mgs for a few weeks , for some reason it helps a Dobermans appetite. It can’t be used in all cases , but worth asking about .

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Whatever you decide to do for Chloe will be the right decision because you love her and she is your family not some special medical case.

Its hard because you have moved and have a new vet too and don't have a trusting relationship yet. Cocos vet and the whole clinic were very good to us when she was not well but we had a 10 year relationship with them and I trusted them because they were just as upset as we were about the old gal.

Love and spoil your gal. Enjoy her and whatever happens remember that Chloe loves you and Bob and knows you will always do the right thing for her.
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I’m sorry to hear about Chloe, I can’t help you with the medical mystery but you might try giving her chicken and rice to get her to eat, I also have used Stella and chewy meal toppers crushed up and sprinkled on kibble to entice them to eat. Best wishes
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Just seeing this now Blueberry. Sending lots of good thoughts and prayers and hoping Chloe is OK.
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Chloe is home and resting. She still wants to go on walks but eating has been a challenge. Her meds will be finished on Wednesday. I hope her some of her drive to eat comes back. I have never had a hard time getting her to eat in the past. She's kind of a hog! I'll update once we receive results.

Thank you to everyone for your kind words and thoughts. Chloe is dear to us...She is the oldest doberman I have had as an adult. Huckleberry was 6.5 and Blueberry was 4 when they died. We are just in a state. The Chloe, move, new jobs, and not having our own house yet has been tough. Another teacher walked in my classroom on Friday and I was crying....the first time I meet this man....he probably thinks I'm nuts!!! Not a great first impression....
I've always had good luck using canned Trippett green tripe to help dogs eat - you can get it on Chewy.com and they ship quickly.

https://www.chewy.com/petkind-tripet...rmula/dp/44461

I'd also try things like canned sardines mixed into her food, canned tuna with the juice, even just some chicken broth added in might entice her to eat.


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