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10 Month Old Blue Doberman Hair Loss

Hello, recently my 10 months blue Doberman has been losing hair. He is losing hair in his upper back area and legs. is there anything I can do to make his hair grow back. Also, this is my first blue Doberman. Any tips on blue Doberman syndrome?
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I bet Dobebug, our resident dilute coated dobe expert, will chime in here soon...but just in case she doesn't, here's a recent post she made coming from her wealth of knowledge and experience

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Hi rowledge2,

Congratulate on your new puppy...

I don't do a thyroid check until the dog is around 2 years (I might do it earlier if there are signs of thyroid related hair loss, weight gain etc). And I'll tell you the same thing I've been saying for years--the dilutes (fawn and blue) certainly can have hair loss due to CDA but this does not necessarily mean you'll have skin problems too. Dobe puppies tend to have bouts of staph (will hair loss) because of immature immune systems--and mostly they grow out of things like that. My fawn dog actually had fewer skin problems than my black dogs but when I did see signs of possible staph infections I took him in to the vet rather faster than I did for the black dogs.

I give fish oil and Vitamin E but I don't start that until the puppy is at least 6 months old. I have given my fawn dog a minimal dose of melatonin--3 mg twice a day--and do I think it helped? Who knows--I have a fawn dog who is now 13 years and 8 months and who has a full coat--yes, he's on thyroid meds and has been since he was around eight years. If you give melatonin--be sure you read the label--a lot of the formulations now contain xylitol--a sugar which can be deadly in small quantities for dogs--several years ago I picked up a new bottle and was reading the label and to my horror discovered that the stuff contained xylitol. And if you are going to give more than 3 mg twice a day I'd be talking to a vet about appropriate maximum dosage (I've also noticed that some of melatonin is as high as 12 mg per pill in some brands.

ProPlan Focus is my fall back food and my fawn boy was weaned on it so he's eaten the Sensitive Skin and Stomach all his life (I think he was on it through all of the name changes--from ProPlan Salmon and Rice, to ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach to the recent change adding Focus as the ProPlan line if falls in. I've fed the Chicken formula and the turkey formula when it was briefly available in the US (I think it's only in Canada again). I don't feed the ProPlan Savor--which is a very similar formula as the Focus but has the addition of the shredded bits--which are flavored soy. I think the Focus contains a little more animal protein.

As my fawn dog got older I added Glucosamine + MSM--I buy it at Costco--the people version which is less expensive to the newly added DOG version. And when he was around 3 years old he started being allergic t9o something that is probably a pollen shedder--and from sometime in April through the summer he gets a minimal dose (25 mg twice a day) of Diphenlhydamine (that's the generic for Benedryl). That's another I get from Costco.

Hmmm--I also get both the fish oil and the Vitamin E from Costco--make sure you aren't buying anything in fish oil that has an enteric coating as that doesn't dissolve in the canines shorter GI tract--but I don't think dogs care if their burps taste fishy. And I used to buy melatonin from Costco but now I have to hit the pharmacies and read the contents carefully and the 3 mg tablets are getting harder to find.

Here's my final not on dilute dogs (if you aren't sick to death of reading this)--ti a very large degree what you get is determined genetically. I had seen enough of my breeders fawn dogs in particular who retained good or at least better than average coats to expect I wasn't going to be dealing with a bald dog--but I was prepared to do so if that's what I got.

It wasn't my final note--treat that blue (or fawn) coat with care--the individual hairs are more fragile than black or red hairs--the way the melanin is contained in the hair shaft make them likely to break more easily--so don't be rubbing their hair against the lay of the coat especially when wet and don't let other people do it.

Good luck...

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10 months would be pretty young for a dilute to start losing hair in a large way.

Question: I think I see bumps or pustules on his rear leg.

Has he seen his vet about this? In a 10 month old puppy (Yes... He is still a puppy). likely causes could be Demodectic mange or a simple Staph infection. Your vet should easily be able to diagnose either. Both are generally readily treatable.

Honestly most of my boys as pups have either had one or both, as they are quite susceptible to either until their immune systems have full kicked in.

If he has not seen a vet, I would make an appointment.

Our resident expert on dilutes is member dobebug. She has a senior (13+ y0) fawn male who happens to be my youngest's Grandsire. Perhaps she will chime in.

So, to reiterate, at his age, I would look to more common puppy skin issues as opposed to assuming a Color Dilute Alopecia problem.

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Edit to say: Well... I guess melbrod already addressed the issue!

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Thanks Mel and John for starting the ball rolling on the dilution and hair loss issues.

Daisy,

Over the years if you do searches under dilution, fawn/blue, CDA + dobebug + coat care you can find a lot of lengthy posts by me about dilution and coat care for the dilute Doberman.

But for openers that very recent response to someone else with a blue Dobe only a little older than yours covers a lot of information. And John has added the things tat I try to remember to mention when I'm talking about blue/coat and hairloss.

10 months is really still pretty young for substantial hair loss to be showing up--and I'd probably suspect puppy staph considering where the loss is occurring. Just as a point of reference--hairloss due to thyroid issues general shows up as hair loss behind the ears near the shoulders on the back and on the flanks--hair loss on the legs doen't ring any bells for association with either immature immune systems, thyroid issues or demodex.

The other thing that you need remember is that to a very large extend you also need to know what other dilute dogs related to your puppy have looked like--there is definitely a linkage genetically and if your dog has related dogs with good coats it's more likely that he will have a good coat.

But I'll also tell you that one of the dogs that was shown against a dog of mine was a nice blue who had a terrible coat when he was first shown in 6 to 9 month puppy dog class and was bald (except for his rust markings which aren't affected by CDA) when he finished his championship at just a little over a year. His conformatiion was excellent but his coat was awful--and a few of his near relative have been shown and they had equally poor coats (well the dilute dogs had poor coats) and all had problems with CDA at very young ages.

It kind of depends on what the basic reason is for the hair loss--check that part of it out with his vet or maybe even spring for a visit to a dermatologist/allergist--unfortunately a good many general practice vets look at a blue or fawn with coat problems and don't really make sure the reason for the poor coat--some of them have nothing to do with CDA.

Good luck with your boy.

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Hello everyone, I’m taking your advice and taking him to the vet. I’ll update soon. Thank you
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Hello everyone, Iím taking your advice and taking him to the vet. Iíll update soon. Thank you
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