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Ali is not well

This past week , a few days , Ali didn’t seem herself , she was not wanting to eat , she eats about a cup or so in the morning , then again at night , some morning , she would eat only a half a cup , but at night , would make up the diff . She ate a ton on Wed. Then backed off to a cup and a half on Friday , then on Sat ( yesterday ) barely anything . She has been on a hepatic food for over 3 years , which equals tasteless food , we do add a canned hepatic which she loves to eat .

She has been acting her normal self , played with her ball , chases birds , barks at neighbor , you name it , she acts normal , but has quit eating yesterday , this mornin , same thing , got up went out and done her business , we sat out the patio for 3 hours , watching the crop dusters , just enjoying doing nothing . We came in the house , Ali walked to the back bedroom to look out , then got about half way back to the front room and laid down , pooped out , her breathing was labored ,then turned shallow, right then and there , we except the end was here , a few hours ago , I got her up and helped her onto the couch , then about a hour ago , she wanted up , went outside and peed , walked around then back in the office , got her drink and is now laying down , still has not ate anything , we have exhausted every trick in the book , she smells it and turns her head .
Now to back up some , I sent a email to her internal med doc on Monday , NO response, so called and told them to have her call me and to read my email I had sent to her , still no response ! Bitch !

On Tuesday , I took a urin sample to our local vet and had a complete urinlogy run on her , just. Normal check up , everything came back great . .l

5 months ago , complete blood work up to check all blood values , because of her copper storage, again , all results , out standing . This is a once year deal , but we do it every 6 to make us feel we are doing everything we can for her .

This morning , I told my wife , I was taking Ali to the emergency room and have her checked out , if her nit wit internal doc would have called , then we would not be in this place ! And now have to go on the weekend !

This is where Ali laid down , friends , she was as weak as a kitten + her breathing , wife and I agreed she would not live threw the trip .

This all happened so quick !

One problem is having to deal with her internal vet , she knows what they can do and what they can’t do to her , because of her copper , if another vet looks after her , we have to question them on everything and have caught a few screw ups on there part because of the meds they were going to give her , it would have put Ali in a very bad spot with her problems .

Another problem is the ride to the hospital is right at a hour and Ali goes off the scale with anxiety, it affects her for 2 days afterwards . Then they will want to do this and that to her and trust me , it will push her over the edge .

So tomorrow morning first thing , I will take her to her local vet and see what happens , but I’m have excepted the fact , her days with us may be short .

Btw she is drinking ok , but I’m worried she will. Become dehydrated,

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Oh man, ECIN. I do send prayers and good vibes yours & Ali's way. I really hope she can pull through this and get back to her daily dober-habits!! I will be thinking of you guys.

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Doc, I don't want to hear this. I would probably do the same as you are doing at this point. Hoping tomorrow is better. Maybe her meds need adjusted or something similar.
Best thoughts and hugs being sent your way. I will be anxious until I hear something tomorrow.

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Ken, I am so sorry. I wish there were something I could do to help you guys. Sending prayers for healing and support for you all.
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So sorry to hear this, Ken. I hope tomorrow brings you some answers! You guys are in our thoughts, hoping and praying all turns out ok.



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Oh no! Prayers for Ali! I hope all goes well with her.
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Hey Ken...

I am so sorry that Ali is ill. I will pray for her tonight.

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Very sorry to hear ECIN - Best wishes and prayers for Ali, you and your family!
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Thinking of you and yours today......lots of prayers ..........

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Ali girl rested good last night , letís say lots better than the wife and I . We took turns sleeping with her , she has slept by me for 4,234 nights , but the wife wanted to be by her , which was fine with me , I was close by .

Ali got up around 5:45 and she did her deal , came in and drank some water , and smelled the food I had out , but no go , she has been back to them 3 or 4 times , but just will not eat , she is very observant this morning

Called local vet at 7:15 , they are going to work us in and they do have in house blood work machine , that is the best place to start .

How can a dog act so normal and not eat ? This is not like when she had the copper deal start , well she did stop eating yet there was lots of other things going on , she was not normal , by no means .

I spent to much time yesterday looking for answers ,and all it did was give me bigger stress headache. Than I already had .

Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers , good to have friends like we do on here !

Letís not forget to keep up the thoughts and prayers for Miley either .

Will let you all know more when we find out more

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So sorry she is not doing well. You might try making your own bone or vegetable broth to entice her to drink more. You can make it really weak, it just needs to have a little bit of a yummy smell. I hope you get some answers from the gp vet.
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New Pal Vets office got us worked in this morning , they are very good about this in time of need .

1. Full blood work up , we were worried about if something have changed in her liver values , which came back great ! No liver issues !

. Blood test did show that her WBC level was high at 19.79 ( range. Is 5.5. To 16.90 )

NEU was also high 16.64. ( range is 2.00 to 12.00 )

BUN was low 6mg/dL ( range 7 to 27 )

Then they took pictures of her lungs and heart , we were checking for DMC , Rads came back normal = No DMC = thank you Lord !

They suspect some kind of infection in Ali , gave her a steroid shot , then I give her 1 Mirtazapine every 24 hours to stimulate appetite , + give her Clavamox for infection . Will wait and see if she will eat something in a little bit so not to upset her stomach from no food .

If not eating by 11:30 tomorrow , then we are headed to the big city , Indy Vet , ( we are switching hospitals ! )

Ali is so different than yesterday , My wife and I were sure that Ali was in the short rows, with her breathing and so , so weak .

Must have been the DT Forum PRAYERS !

Greenie , thanks , I read on them 2 yesterday and that was , is are next step

Thanks everybody for the prayers

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Very worried for you...please continue to keep us updated.

I think you may already know that DCM can't be ruled out just through x-rays...it doesn't sound like a traditional DCM scare, but do keep that in the back of your mind. Echocardiogram/holter is needed for that.

Sounds like she has something else going on...lots and lots of prayers your way.
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Yes MC , what we were looking for was fluid on the lungs and enlarged heart , we talked to the vet about the Echo , your not going to believe this , but Purdue is the only place we can get that done .

Breaking news ! doctor Frank just called back with the results from the x rays , after she looked at them , she then sent them on to have a Rad review , the heart looks good , BUT , they think she may have the beginning stage of phenomenon! I asked how did she get this , this time of the year + I was thinking about Miley , itís ? Asperation phenomenon , thatís were something they eat , throw up , ends up going down the wrong pipe , matter of fact , my dad has had that a couple of times

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Hey Ken (Doc). I'm sure that you meant aspiration Pneumonia...Right.
Regardless, having a clear diagnosis is a great start.

As you already have read, dax's Miley is down with Pneumonia. It can be a nasty disease.

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Good vibes being sent to you guys. Come on Ali girl we're all rooting for you.

I know she has copper storage but will she eat anything Doc? What if you cook her up something. When Coco would go off food if I made her scrambled eggs she would get right back to eating.

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Hey Ken (Doc). I'm sure that you meant aspiration Pneumonia...Right.
Regardless, having a clear diagnosis is a great start.

As you already have read, dax's Miley is down with Pneumonia. It can be a nasty disease.

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Hey John that is what I meant ! Its this dang iPad , I spell them right then it changes them
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Good vibes being sent to you guys. Come on Ali girl we're all rooting for you.

I know she has copper storage but will she eat anything Doc? What if you cook her up something. When Coco would go off food if I made her scrambled eggs she would get right back to eating.

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That is what we were worried most about Coco , but the answer is , yes , she ď should ď eat , we tried everything over the weekend , even eggs

How sick was she , or still is ? She would not eat even cheese ! She is not suppose to have it , but when not eating , the rule book goes out the window here .


My wheels never quit here in good research there is always more questions than answers , so why was Ali so much worse yesterday I keep asking ? Then I remembered , she was laying out on the patio , on guard , she was looking at something , I couldnít find it , then she would little bark , growl , then she took off running , it was a turtle dove sitting on the fence , that is when she came in and pooped out and had trouble breathing . Now , how did or what went down the wrong pipe ?

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Hey John that is what I meant ! Its this dang iPad , I spell them right then it changes them
Yeah... Spell check is not my friend either!

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Well, spell check error is a good excuse anyway. I wonder what people said about their spelling mistakes before it was invented?

I'm always in awe when I look at old handwritten documents with the lovely inked script handwriting, and no lines or scribbling through anything (erasures were impossible too). Though the spelling tends to be a bit erratic.

I've been thinking of you folks and Ali, and Dax's Miley too. It's not been a very good week for our dobe family.
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Thanks Mel , I sure hope for good news from Dax !

I was also thinking , what are the odds that two of the senior Dobermans on here get pneumonia over the same weekend ?

Ali is back to following me around I askedher ifshe wanted to eat and she got up , sure hope she does .

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Hey John that is what I meant ! Its this dang iPad , I spell them right then it changes them
Uh huh, sure, Ken, sure. Blame the iPad



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Ok wise guy , what Xuse would have YOU used ?
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Pencil and paper! Although stamps have gotten expensive...

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