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Raw Food Diet Suggestions

Hi all,

Puppy arriving in the fall and I am curious about the pros / cons and cost benefit (if any) of raw food diets.

Any insight on the pre-minced / delivery companies would be greatly appreciated in advance.

I am from New York if that helps resources..

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Well... Hi Erin! And welcome from the Pacific NW.

A new puppy.. How exciting!

I can't help with the raw diet as I have never fed raw. But I constantly read that if the pup was weaned on kibble that one should stick with kibble (the one that the breeder was using) for a while before transitioning to another diet.

Here in Portland there are 3 stores within 5 minutes of my house that specialize in canine and feline diets, including raw. The pet supply store that I go to counsel pet owners on a regular basis on nutrition. 1/3 of their store is dedicated to specialized food.

Perhaps there is something like that in your neck of the woods.

Well... Best to you and you upcoming pup. And Happy 4th of July.

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Welcome E from Indiana

I think if it was me , I would talk to your breeder and get there opinion , if they are feeding raw and if so , where they recommend getting I t from .

As far as us , we have never feed raw , our breeder does , matter of fact , where she gets hers from , they deliver it to her .

For us , we live out in the country and just thought it would be a big hassle trying to get it here to feed them , like in the winter ,

I pretty sure that CoCo Feeds raw, maybe she will jump in her and give e you the pros and con’s

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I feed raw, too, but where I live makes it very easy for me. Not sure what I would do if I did not have the wild game processing plant close by. We get elk, venison and sometimes buffalo packaged
in 1 lb packages making easy and no mess. I also, have 15% ground bone added. I have raised puppies exclusively on this, but also will find a dry kibble I trust and get them used to that for
times we are on the road and cannot keep it frozen. So many pluses to feeding this way. I think once you have and see the visible difference you would never go back to only dry processed food.
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Raw Food Diet Suggestions

Just for comparison over here.....

We feed Axel raw and depending of the company you buy from a compete 80-10-10 mince delivered to the door costs £1.50-£3 per kilo

We also buy chicken carcasses which are £8 per 40 carcasses and he loves those.

Raw bones from the butcher are given away free.

To be honest I don’t know if it is more cost effective than kibble because we have never fed kibble but I hope this helps somehow!

A 12kg bag of good kibble cost about £35 over here so £3 per kilo

Axel eats 1 kilo complete raw mince plus a carcass and maybe some other little bits which at a push would work out at £2-2.50 a day

I don’t know how much kibble he would get through though!

All I know is that he trumped ALOT when he arrived because he was fed on kibble in transit


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MOD's........Louise is being a smarty pants again...............she is talking in those funny numbers again!!!!
Geez..........now I have to go do some figur'in.............this might take ALOT of time.......
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I also feed raw and know a good food company but unfortunately, that's in Colorado. If anything, the following site is a very helpful tool and I know several, including family, that use it when pre-made when is not available. I use it as well when I have enough time to meal prep.

https://perfectlyrawsome.com/

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I have been feeding raw for 10 years. My old gal was on it for over 9 years and Sugar was weaned onto raw by his breeder. I love it because my dogs have always thrived on it. But its not for everyone or every dog.

I feed 80 (protein) 10 (raw bone) 10 (organ) ratio. Raw fed dogs need raw bone in their diets but never cooked bones.

There are lots of threads on here about raw feeding. I've always fed a variety of proteins like chicken, Turkey, pheasant, duck, pork, fish, beef, goat (which both my dogs have loved), oxtail, bison, elk, venison. They have even tried beaver, emu and kangaroo.

I feed a lot of feet (chicken, duck, pheasant) for the natural glucosamine and chondroitin and because my dogs have loved them. I also love watching my dogs chomping on a foot sticking out of their mouths!! Sorry raw feeder humour.

I feed liver, pancreas, lung, giblets, on occasion brain and tripe. Once in awhile eyeballs and family jewels.

I'm very fortunate that there is a raw dog food store around the corner for me and they have a huge selection. They only sell human grade protein and people often come in to buy meat for themselves.

Raw is a bit gross and daunting at first but once you get the hang of it, I have found it to be as easy as feeding kibble.



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First thing: RAW FEEDING IS ALMOST A SCIENCE. THERE'S A TON OF STUFF YOUR DOG NEEDS IN IN ORDER TO KEEP HIM HEALTHILY SUSTAINED.

I fed my boy raw from when I got him at 7 weeks old, but stopped after he turned one year, replacing his old feeding regimen for high quality kibble.

Feeding raw requires a very balanced, well-rounded diet with LOTS of variety. For example, here's the approx ratio of food your dog needs for its daily intake:

70% muscle meat
10% RAW edible bone (never cooked bones)
5% liver (any more than this can cause severe diarrhea)
5% other secreting organs
7% veggies
3% fruits (some fruits aren't good for dogs)

In order for you to get the most out of a raw diet, you must have VARIETY, VARIETY, VARIETY. It's everything. Don't just feed chicken, tripe, and gizzard to him on the regular. Not only is something like that missing A TON of what your dog needs, there is only a limited amount of essential nutrients in something like that. Change it up everyday. Also, you must figure out the portions (by weight) of how much your puppy should be getting daily. So you'll need a scale to weigh out his food.

I have heard of people just giving their dogs the same meal everyday...NOT good. Your dog needs various parts from many different animals, and I also made sure to got a nice variety of veggies (potatoes are important), and fruits. I have found that many people who attempt a raw diet don't give them a well-rounded diet, simply because it is very difficult to make sure they are getting ALL the proper nutrients in their diet, EVERY DAY.

Also, it can get quite pricey and also takes time and commitment. If you feel you can get the ratios and portions correct, it can be quite beneficial. But after Hess turned one year old, I decided to get him a high grade kibble which contained everything that he needed. I switch back and forth every month between Zignature and Victor. They are both a high performance, high grade kibble. On top of that, I have piece of mind knowing that I do not have to worry about getting his ratios wrong. Even though Hess has turned out to be a beautiful, healthy dog, I don't have to worry about missing out on any essential nutrients that he may be needing.

IMO, a right raw diet can be great, but it's a time consuming and pricey. It is rewarding, however, to watch your dog flourish when you know your pup is getting everything he needs. Plus, I found it fun to mess around with different meats and organs to see how he enjoyed the different dishes.

Even though I have switched my boy to kibble once a day, I do have some raw chicken I keep in my freezer. I give him a frozen thigh a couple times a week for a nice treat.

Just do TONS of research before you choose raw. If you are doing it right, one major thing I started noticing was that Hess didn't poop nearly as much because he was using almost everything he ingested. When he did poop, it almost just turned to dust immediately. That was a plus, among the other benefits.

Sorry for the rambling, but I hope this helps a little! Just remember it's a delicate balance if you choose to go this way, so be careful and do your research!

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Well, I’ve fed raw for over 30 years. It’s quite easy after the first few months of figuring it all out. I don’t measure anything and haven’t for a long time. My dog gets varying amounts of meat at every meal. If he looks like he’s putting on a little weight, I cut back a little. It’s really not rocket science but it is messy on the front side, meaning when you bring a load of meat home.

There is info out there to let you know approximate percentages of bone in various cuts of meat. And there are raw feeding discussion groups all over the web, many with files and guidelines available for beginners.

There is a lot of hype about variety but actually, 3-4 sources over a long period time is just fine. So, there’s nothing wrong with feeding chicken for a week. Please consider that thousands of people feed the exact same dog food, with exactly one single meat source, for the entire life of a dog. Not that I’m recommending that.

My last five dogs, all fed raw, have had zero illness except for hypothyroidism, rampant in this breed, acute liver failure due to a rare reaction to doxycycline, and one episode of kennel cough. No other illness of any kind. I do not do any dedicated feeding of vegetables and fruit, as this is not anything that any of the wild canids on the planet regularly consume. I do offer him veggies he likes when I’m having them, he drinks all the “pot liquors”, will steal an avocado whenever he can, loves watermelon and banana, etc. but it’s not anything you have to calculate, measure, etc.

All of my dogs have loved fresh green grass and I always have a strip area of that planted for Boon even though I have no other grass on my property. He nibbles on it every day. I’ve noticed over the years that the dogs would always choose the tender annual grass over everything else so I plant an annual mix for him.

I mostly buy a big load of meat and organs at my local ethnic stores, bring it all home, take it out of the packages and bag up 3-4 days of a variety of stuff in ziplocks. (The last two loads, around $150 each, lasted 5-6 weeks.) Then those bags go in the freezer. I have a $75 small chest freezer I got on Craigslist. So, it’s about an hour to shop and an hour to repackage for me every 5-6 weeks. I just took out a bag that has heart, kidney, sardines, pork chops and turkey necks. Every meal is not the perfect percentage ratio any more than it would be in the wild but it works out over time. I buy frozen tripe put out by Blue Ridge Beef because tripe for human consumption has no nutritional value as it’s been bleached. I take out a pound at a time and feed it over the 3-4 days.

Sometimes I order a box from Hare Today for some other variety like rabbit heads, etc. Yummy, right?! I also go out to the local deer processor during the season and get bags full of awesome organs, necks, and bones that I process outside and put in my freezer. Great stuff.

Your dog’s teeth will stay PERFECTLY CLEAN AND WHITE for their entire life on a raw diet. You will note tiny dry poops every day on a raw diet. They get to rip and chew and crush and gnaw as they evolved to eat. You are feeding high quality food. It’s worth the trouble.
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Hi from Texas! I have fed my two chihuahuas raw for 14 years (before it was popular) and when I got my Dobie 2 years ago I knew before he came it would be cost prohibitive for us to do the same unless we made it ourselves. We went out and bought a professional grinder, an extra freezer and invested a lot of time researching and creating our own blend. We grind the meat, bones, vegetables and fruit and freeze it in 5 pound bags. Defrost daily. Easy as can be. They get a daily vitamins and fish oil pills as well. Bottom line is it is still very expensive but I wouldn’t have it any other way bc they all thrive on it. As for the switch my dobie was on kibble from the Breeder and the day he came home he went straight to raw with no transition and no turning back. Never an issue. I’d be happy to help and answer any other questions.
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I loved your post Tricia!! I don't measure my food either. I just eyeball it and watch my dog's condition.

You are absolutely right about their teeth staying nice and white throughout their life. Coco never had a dental cleaning in her life because there was no need to. On her last day when the vet came over to send her on her journey, she commented on Cocos beautiful white teeth.



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Oh, how we miss the Beautiful Miss Coco!

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