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Incident after Spay

So Rizzo got spayed yesterday, I picked her up from the vet an hour ago. We got home and I went to help her out of the back of my SUV, I put my arm around the front of her chest and went to slide her sideways so I could put my other arm under her bottom (not belly), that dam dog flipped out and jumped right over my shoulder before I could grab her and face planted right onto the driveway, rolled forward on her back. She scuffed her her muzzle and her chin, scuffed her forehead and slightly chipped a tooth, the one right behind her canine. I checked her neck and she doesn't seem tender. I also, called the vet office immediately, they asked if she tore open her incision, which she didn't and to keep and eye on her mouth to make sure she isn't bleeding and check for pain.

I'm so upset, I can't believe this happened, I just wanted to help her out of the truck so she didn't hurt herself and she hurt herself even more. She seems fine overall, minus the bumps and bruises but I'm worried sick and I am going to be for awhile now.

Someone talk me off the ledge please?

Also, she managed to get out of her cone in under 10 min.
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Accidents happen. That is life.

Your girl was probably in pain to a certain extent and still feeling the effects of the anesthesia.
She acted unpredictably.

Don't blame yourself. Just be thankful that she wasn't seriously injured and did not compromise her surgical incision.

Best to you and Rizzo.

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I talked to a friend that is a vet tech, she told me not to worry (yeah right) right and she is probably fine. Keep an eye on her gum color and make sure they're moist, eating drinking pottying. She also told me if I was worried to call back and talk ask to talk to the vet. So I did (extreme worrier here), vet was gone for the day but this girl was a lot better to talk to. She said the same thing look for gum color and moistness, pink is good, gray means she could have internal bleeding. She said she wouldn't worry too much about any internal injuries as long as the incision looks good ( I took a picture so i have a point of reference), said some swelling is normal but anything larger is cause for concern. Also, look for coloration changes, moderate redness is fine but if it is dark purple then she should be seen. Told me to check on her often, and they're there for another 90 min and are open both Sat/Sun and I can bring her in any time to have her looked at. After hours they told me don't hesitate to call the emergency vet clinic with any questions, that's what they are there for and will let me know if she needs to be seen.

She's currently calm and sleeping in her crate and whining/moaning and the occasional sleep bark that they do when they are dreaming.
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None of my dogs has ever worn a cone after being spayed or neutered. I'd leave it off, unless she really starts going at the incision.


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None of my dogs has ever worn a cone after being spayed or neutered. I'd leave it off, unless she really starts going at the incision.
Cones are such a PIA! Athena didn't wear a cone, Sully did but he had knee surgery at the same time. She also had a small mass removed on her side that she is very interested in and she is a licker. I won't make her wear if were supervising her but when I can't watch her she'll have to wear it. One of us will be home all weekend with her and probably Monday too, Tuesday she'll only be alone for a few hours, by then we should be in the home stretch.

Hunny just got home, let her out so she could see him, she seems totally normal, maybe a little lethargic from the anesthetic but snuggly. She also ate all of her dinner.
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Seems like a lot of the time they pick at their stitches more as time goes on. Or maybe I relax my surveillance a bit?

But I think at first, it might hurt a bit more when they lick, and later it is more of an itch with little poky bits sticking out (stitches) that they try to get their teeth on and pull out.

Another thing you can watch is called capillary refill time. Press your thumb on the fleshy part of her gum above her canine. When you release the pressure, her gum will look white where you were pressing. See how long it takes for it to get red again. It should only take about 2 seconds. If it takes a lot longer, it could be a sign of dehydration or shock.

It is really only a rough test, but it is one way you can keep an eye on her, just as a quick check to see if there is a major difference from the last time.
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does your vet have a "surgical" shirt. it is like a onesie. When my girl was spayed she came home with one and it the best thing. no need for cone and the incision is completely covered. I googled it and you can find them on the Walmart site along with Amazon. Check around at vet offices if your vet does not carry them.
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I used a T-shirt pinned up, or better yet, sleeper pajamas with the legs and arms cut short when Capri had a series of surgeries. She wore a women's small. With a lady dog, you can cut a hole in the seat and do a little creative pinning to take up the loose fabric around the legs, and you don't even have to take a sleeper off so they can pee. But it's hard to find sleeper pajamas in the summer.

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She's doing fine this morning, nice pink gums, good capillary refill, incision looks good. Still seems a little sad/mopey but she is eating, drinking and pottying. Currently chewing on a kong.

Thanks for all of the alternate ecollar suggestions. I've never had any luck with tshirts/fabric coverings, they just chew through it and next thing I know they're missing stitches/staples. I've used the inflatables ones before and they seem to work a little better.

I have an XL, Great Dane crate that I bought for Sully when he had his knees done, so I pulled that out for her to sleep in last night. She was not too happy about not being able to sleep in bed, she cried for quite awhile and Sully was so worried he couldn't sleep, he stood by my bed and kept nudging me, she would quiet down and he would lay on the floor but when she started back up and he was back in my face. She eventually settled down and fell asleep and so did he, but every time she moved he was up and checking on her. It was pretty cute but a little annoying.
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Glad you are having a better day.
Keep us posted..........us humans never settle until we know are babies are happy again.
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I've worked at a vet clinic for a long time now and have seen far too many incisions where dogs wno never bothered them removed sutures, staples and opened incisions completely.

My Dobes have all, universally been untrusworthy about wounds, surgical or otherwise. So they wear a Hannible Lector like combo gear. I have males s t-shirts work fine for them-- I use diaper pins to take up eccess fabric around the middle. They wear a greyhound basket muzzle (one of the escape geniuses wore two--nested AND a hard cone (all of them had learned to rip up and deflate any kind of inflatable gear.

The t-shirt stayed on all the time and was changed daily. The rest of the stuff was on if I wan't there to watch the dog ALL the time. I used a small x-pen rather than a crate for any dog who had surgery anywhere if I wasn't there to watch him.

It did work. Melbrod is right on about chewing, licking and bothering incisions and sutures or staples. Most dogs will leave them alone for the first few days if they are covered with a shirt--after that the healing process and scabbing makes things itch and they want to lick it--that's when we see the worst of mutilation of new surgical wounds. Just about the time you figure your and the dog are over the hump is when things are most itchy so be aware of the stage of the healing before you leave anti-lick/chew gear off a healing dog.

And you've now learned the first lesson about dogs newly out of anesthesia--they do goofy things--just like your girl did--and mostly, like her, they may get scuffed a little but basically they end up none the worse for wear. It's probably worth remembering that dogs do bizarre stuff that's hard wired when they come out of anesthesia.

Good luck with the rest of it.

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Yep........as soon as my dog Hoss smells flesh.....(even his own) ....he just becomes obsessed .......stitches.....just like us ....they itch.
And sometimes pull ...........Hoss has had several surgeries so he wears a cone loosely.....due to several surgeries it appears as though we have trained him to to wear a cone. Does he like it....no......but after a day or two he wears it and manages to drink water, eat, pick up his ball.....etc.
Kong puts out the best cone I have ever used...real durable and has several Velcro strips that is used for customizing the size.....real easy on and off process with the Velcro ......I always have two laying around somewhere........having them used to something like this or muzzle is probably good training.....they learn that its ok.....as humans we learn to ...thats its safer for them even if it looks funny. Wishing you the best.

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Day 4 post op, She's doing well, incision looks good but still seems a little of personality wise. Which TBH is probably for the best, normally she's a 100 MPH hour dog and nothing stops her, she seems calm, content to slowly walk around the yard on leash with us or hang out on the couch and snuggle. Her and Sully like play so damn rough that I have to be really careful just letting her roam around, mostly keep her on a leash attached to me. We're getting there, almost 1/2 way done!
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Glad to hear good news CF , give her a hug from uncle Doc
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Tied to your hip...thats the only you you can be sure.......keep up the good work.
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