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My Dobe with fluid around her lungs but is not DCM

My sweet Calypso, almost 11 year old black and rust Dobe, started having shallow breathing last week. I took her to the emergency vet and they took chest X-rays and said that is was most likely DCM or Congestive Heart Failure. She has fluid around her lungs. They put her on some medication for her heart and a something to reduce the fluid.

The next morning I took her to her regular vet and he ran blood work that showed came back normal with the exception of one reading. But he said it could be due to her being dehydrated from the pills.

I took her to the Cardiologist for a Echocardiogram. She said it was all normal and there was no sign of DCM. She removed some fluid and sent it for testing. The fluid did have some chunks of cells in them which kept clogging up the needles. She wasn’t able to remove all of the fluid.

The rest of the day Calypso acted a lot better and had some more energy. Her breathing got a little better. Now, two days later she is back to the labored breathing from before the fluid was removed.

The test results came in and it came back that it was probably cancer but they can’t be sure. They want to take her in for surgery to find out where it is.

She has lost so much weight, down to 62 lbs from around 70. She doesn’t really want to eat. I am worried she wouldn’t make it through a surgery.

Has anyone had something similar, and if so what did it come back as? Cancer or something else?

Any help would be appreciated!
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Welcome to DT. I'm sorry that Calypso is so ill. I would avoid surgery and ask about alternatives to surgery- trying to pull more fluid to send to pathology & an ultrasound of her chest cavity. Did the vet not do blood work?
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Yes. The vet said that all the blood work came back good. And the Echocardiogram showed a normal heart for a dog her age.

This is the second time that a vet has sent me for the Echocardiogram. That seems to be the first thing they was to say is DCM for Dobes.
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Yes. The blood work came back normal.

The Echocardiogram did as well. This is the second time that I have been sent to get one for Calypso. That seems to be the first thing they jump to, DCM.

My worry is that they said it could be cancerous but couldn’t say 100%.
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I would not do major surgery that involved general anesthesia on any 11 year old Dobeman.

In Dobes, a vet wanting an echo on a Doberman with fluid in or around the lungs isn't really "jumping" to an opinion. The most common reason for fluid in or around the lungs of an 11 year old Doberman would be caused by DCM which had progressed to CHF (congestive heart failure). And the next most common reason for finding fluid like that would be cancer.

I'm not a cardiologist (but I've had Dobes for a long, long time and was very early when it came to testing by echo and by Holter (24 hour EKG) I was also ahead of the trend to start doing 24 hour Holters and I think since your bitches symptoms aren't exactly what either the cardiologist, your regular vet or the emergency vet expected I'd talk to the cardiogist about doing a Holter --I think that there are some things that may show up in a EKG that might not show up in an echo that might contribute to the fluid--this is just guess work on my part but I'd sure do that before I went for surgery.

I don't often do major/invasive surgery on older Dobes--even if their hearts look normal for an 11 year old that's not good enough for me--anything that involves general anesthesia is hard on a dog and their heart. Talk you your vets further--especially the cardiologist.

Good luck but there aren't a whole lot of things to explain the fluid building--but the sad fact is that none of the possible causes are good news.

Keep up posted--you never know when someone else may show up with similar symptoms.

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^^^^^^ Listen to Dobebug! I have an almost 11 1/2 year old male - no DCM at this point. As much as he is in good health and physical condition, I would not want to do major surgery on him.... and that would be true of any old dog.

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