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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 04-09-2019, 01:36 PM Thread Starter
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Coccidia Fecal Retest

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I went in to check on Zeus's fecal sample results that I sent in on Friday because nobody called me like they did last time. On the bright side, he is clear of coccidia! Yaaaay!

On the downside, he tested positive for something else. WTF right?? NOW he has giardia. Which likely is causing his diarrhea. I've decreased his food and his poops are more puddinglike than before, and now I know why. We were prescribed Metronidazole 500mg to take for 10 days, and then a retest. The vet said that unfortunately, it's common in New Mexico but it may not be as prevalent in Texas, so he was more likely susceptible to picking it up here since he hadn't been exposed in Texas.

I looked online to see how a dog contracts giardia, and it seems like it's transferred through water contaminated with feces. We don't take him to dog parks, and when we're out and about he drinks water from his collapsible bowl that I pour from a water bottle. The only place I figure he could've gotten it from is obedience class. There are buckets of water available for the dogs to drink from during breaks, and he sometimes partakes. Guess I'll be supplying his own water from now on!
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Poor Zeus......I am sure you will be so glad when things get back into alignment.
How is his itchy neck ? Better I hope.....

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Giardia is another of those reinfection things, so keep using the same disinfection routine you've been using. You can get it too, so be careful.

It's not only found in water contaminated by dog feces; it can be carried by lots of different wild animals (and people--daycares and wading pools can be a source of infection). I've had giardia (actually, three out of the four people in my family did--the city water filtration system failed and it is in most "wild" surface water sources here.) It wasn't fun.

Out of the three of us, my youngest had no symptoms but was carrying it; my son had mild symptoms and I had a nasty case of it. Just to scare you I actually fainted in the grocery store because I hadn't stayed hydrated enough. But one round of meds for ALL of us at the same time took care of it.

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@LadyDi I know right! My poor boy has been through the ringer. I actually called the dermatologist today and spoke with her assistant about his dosage of Apoquel. It works wonders during the day, but at night he starts scratching again. His scratching actually woke me up early this morning, and his neck was red from irritation. I believe the Apoquel wears off at night (I give him his dose in the morning with breakfast). The prescription says to give it to him once every 24 hours, so I asked the dermatologist assistant if I could try giving it to him in the morning and evening. He said yes and to expect a call in a few days to check to see how that's going, and depending on how Zeus does they may change up his prescription. His neck is still yeasty. Scaly and flakey and red (which I think will go away once he stops scratching at night). I've ordered a medicated shampoo (same brand as the mousse I was prescribed, active ingredients being Chlorhexidine and climbazole). I asked the assistant about it, and he said it should be helpful. I asked how often I should bathe him with it and he suggested once or twice a week for a few weeks, so we'll see how that goes once it comes in this weekend.

@melbrod Way to get me paranoid! lol Luckily, the task of poop picking up and immediate treatment of the area with an ammonia solution has become routine to me. I only mop with ammonia now, and his bedding is washed with bleach. I wipe his paws down with a wet washcloth whenever he's been outside, mostly to reduce the presence of any allergens, but hopefully it helps to remove contaminants (doubtful, but it eases my mind to think so!). Doing that HAS helped wonders with the paw licking. He rarely does that anymore! I celebrate any victory I can manage, lol. I'm glad you and your family are all good to go!
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Gamer.......regarding Chlorhexidine. It can be easily overused and potentially causing irritation.
Choices are 1%- 2%-3%.....with Chlorhexidine......
Hoss has used that product with his pissed off hair follicles................when Chloe. is applied .....its kinda tingles once its on skin. ......ask your vet this question.......I would want to know this.....
“in the event Zeus has red irritation on neck from scratching ....should you use something milder.
Just thinking thats where vinegar and water mix might become helpful......natural PH balance and astringent (can use daily).
just suggest checking this intel out ......just in case you need to know later during one of pups scratchy nights.

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Holy s**t (pun intended ) you guys are having a rough go!! Hope things start getting better soon!!
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Hey gamermouse--I'll give you the creep again--the Pacific Northwest in genera is giardia country on the west side and the central valley. Lots of rain, lots of standing water around, also lots of wild animals carrying giardia--in Oregon it's often referred to a Beaver feaver.

When I was training my dogs to track--the one that I thought was most likely to succeed as a tracking dog went tracking every week for four years--we tracked in grass fields, in orchards and in big empty lots. That dog had at least three bouts of giardia a year--my vet finally gave me an refill 50 times prescription for metrodiazole and didn't make me bring in stool samples or the dog. But all those places had standing water--streams the grass fields and other fields that we used when they were fallow had run off ditching around their perimeter to carry off excess water and there were farm ponds--little streams in the woods and they were all potential sources of giardia.

But it should clear up pretty fast on metrodiazole. It definitely will cause soft stools and blow out diarrhea.

At least he's having problems that are cureable and then if he still has pudding poops you can check out the quantity of food...

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@LadyDi Speaking of natural remedies, what do you think about witch hazel? I usually have it in the house for myself. A brief Google search says it can be useful to help relieve the allergy itch in dogs. Has anyone tried it on an itchy doberman? I haven't. Just curious for those probable future itchy nights, if his double dose of Apoquel doesn't help, and I don't want to overload him with Chlorhexidine. I also have vinegar though, so there's that!

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Gamer - Mel is 100% right with regards to you being able to get Giardia - There was a lady here in town named Feebe that got it - well - seems like she had it non stop - the way she knew she had it was every time she coughed she passed gas ! Then she would go to the Doctor and get meds for it .

It got so bad that everybody around here knew her as Feebe cough and fart ! So if this starts happing to yeah - might want to have it checked out -

Give big boy a good ear rub from ole Doc !

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@LadyDi Speaking of natural remedies, what do you think about witch hazel? I usually have it in the house for myself. A brief Google search says it can be useful to help relieve the allergy itch in dogs. Has anyone tried it on an itchy doberman? I haven't. Just curious for those probable future itchy nights, if his double dose of Apoquel doesn't help, and I don't want to overload him with Chlorhexidine. I also have vinegar though, so there's that!

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I have always used Vinegar ....and diluted with water .... 1 Part vinegar .......3 parts water...............

But as far as witch hazel........some witch hazel contains alcohol.............that will burn burn burn........big time.

There is a product called "Witch Hazel Distillate "........I have never used this before ...but appears to contain no alcohol..........check with your vet on this product.

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I wonder if you could try a pair of lightweight jammies with a tall turtleneck and full legs to keep him from itching himself? I know Working Dogs Cool Coats now makes those out of lightweight materials - I suspect you could request a very tall neck on them to get maximum coverage. If you had them made out of a lightweight cotton/t-shirt material they wouldn't be overly warm, and they'd cover his whole back, most of the legs, and his neck.

Sorry about the giardia. Not terribly uncommon for dogs to get, especially in certain areas, but NO FUN.
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