Dermatology Appointment - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
Doberman Health If it has to do with your dog and its health post here.

 8Likes
  • 1 Post By gamermouse0213
  • 1 Post By dobebug
  • 1 Post By melbrod
  • 1 Post By melbrod
  • 1 Post By MeadowCat
  • 1 Post By gamermouse0213
  • 1 Post By Rosemary
  • 1 Post By CRDobe
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 12:09 PM Thread Starter
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 205
Location: New Mexico
Dogs Name: Zeus
Dogs Age: Born: October 29, 2017
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit gamermouse0213's Gallery
Thanks: 271
Thanked 474 Times in 150 Posts
                     
Dermatology Appointment

Hey everyone! My buddy Zeus had his dermatology apppointment this past Thursday. Here's how it went.

The dermatologist suspects he has an environmental allergy. We won't know what exactly he's allergic to unless we do skin testing. There are 70 allergens they test for for this region (Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico). Then, once it's figured out what he's allergic to, he'd go through desensitization therapy, which they say is a process that can last 6 months to a year. My husband and I aren't sure if we'll do the testing or not for a few reasons. Mostly cost. I need to look up and see how much, if any, our pet insurance will cover. And looked up pictures and it looks like they shave off a big patch of hair to do the testing, and Zeus's fur grows back so slowly (the little patch his vet shaved for his abscess 3 weeks ago still hasn't grown back. Not sure how long fur takes to grow, but his seems to be taking a while..). So I'm afraid they'll shave him and he'll have this big block of exposed skin with fur that doesn't want to grow back! I also am nervous about having to give him his injections, but there is also an option to give him his allergerns orally, so if we do end up doing the tests, I'll likely choose the oral option.

His neck area also tested positive for yeast. His paperwork specifically says "keratin and rare Malassezia".

For his treatment, he was given 16mg of Apoquel to take once daily and Douxo Chlorhexidine Mousse to put on his neck and chest. The vet tech said some clients opt to not do skin testing and choose to just give the Apoquel meds. I remember someone here mentioning that their doberman was on this medication for allergies. I read good things about it and the vet seemed confident that it'd clear up his neck area and help his fur to grow back. Here's hoping.

I still think he has the coccidia. His poops haven't improved. Still loose and puddinglike. I sent another stool sample to his regular vet yesterday, so waiting for the results on that. Fingers crossed.
dobebug likes this.

Last edited by gamermouse0213; 04-06-2019 at 12:29 PM.
gamermouse0213 is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to gamermouse0213 For This Useful Post:
ECIN (04-07-2019), MeadowCat (04-06-2019), melbrod (04-06-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 12:55 PM
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,306

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobebug's Gallery
Thanks: 10,682
Thanked 19,847 Times in 5,487 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamermouse0213 View Post
Hey everyone! My buddy Zeus had his dermatology apppointment this past Thursday. Here's how it went.

The dermatologist suspects he has an environmental allergy. We won't know what exactly he's allergic to unless we do skin testing. There are 70 allergens they test for for this region (Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico). Then, once it's figured out what he's allergic to, he'd go through desensitization therapy, which they say is a process that can last 6 months to a year. My husband and I aren't sure if we'll do the testing or not for a few reasons. Mostly cost. I need to look up and see how much, if any, our pet insurance will cover. And looked up pictures and it looks like they shave off a big patch of hair to do the testing, and Zeus's fur grows back so slowly (the little patch his vet shaved for his abscess 3 weeks ago still hasn't grown back. Not sure how long fur takes to grow, but his seems to be taking a while..). So I'm afraid they'll shave him and he'll have this big block of exposed skin with fur that doesn't want to grow back! I also am nervous about having to give him his injections, but there is also an option to give him his allergerns orally, so if we do end up doing the tests, I'll likely choose the oral option.

His neck area also tested positive for yeast. His paperwork specifically says "keratin and rare Malassezia".

For his treatment, he was given 16mg of Apoquel to take once daily and Douxo Chlorhexidine Mousse to put on his neck and chest. The vet tech said some clients opt to not do skin testing and choose to just give the Apoquel meds. I remember someone here mentioning that their doberman was on this medication for allergies. I read good things about it and the vet seemed confident that it'd clear up his neck area and help his fur to grow back. Here's hoping.

I still think he has the coccidia. His poops haven't improved. Still loose and puddinglike. I sent another stool sample to his regular vet yesterday, so waiting for the results on that. Fingers crossed.
The people I know who have used Apoquel have generally found it to be very effective when skin and hair problems are related to allergens and we've said before that environmental allergies(both inhalant and contact) are very common.

Gamermouse--about the hair growth. On average dog hair grows back in 3 to 6 months. It grows back somewhat faster if a shaved (or bald for other reasons) are happens to fall into a normal shed and regrowth period (spring and fall).

The injections you have to give are just sub-cutaneous and really easy to give. Most dogs hardly notice they are getting an injection. One of the handy tricks to give sub-Q injectioons is to give them when you are feeding a regular meal--dogs intent on food mostly just keep eating.

Talk to your vet about this--but I was told by a couple of different people who had allergy dogs on the injections (a Lab and a German Shepherd Dog) that they had started out trying to give allergens orally was not as effective as by injection.

The whole testing process and follow up meds are expensive and are not entirely effect ive according to the Lab owner--she said at the worst of the local allergy season her dog (she and the GSD owner were people who I tracked with on a weekly basis for four years) could hardly track even with the injections given every two weeks instead of monthly which was his schedule the rest of the year).

What is Zeus eating and how much? Personally I'd have used Albon on Zeus instead of the stuff they compounded for him. I know that Albon is effective for coccidia and have used it on enough dogs to not be worried about a reaction to the fact that there is a sulfonamide radical as part of the chemical formula. Have they rechecked him for coccidia yet?

If they have rechecked him and the feces samples are clear I'd start looking at both how much I was feeding and what I was feeding. It may be the food itself that is causing the pudding poops--it's kind of a common reaction to food that isn't being handled well by the dogs system.

Good luck--keep us posted.

dobebug
ECIN likes this.
dobebug is online now  
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to dobebug For This Useful Post:
Cressrb (04-06-2019), ECIN (04-07-2019), gamermouse0213 (04-06-2019), MeadowCat (04-06-2019), melbrod (04-06-2019), spocksdad (04-06-2019)
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 01:01 PM
Eschew Prolixity
 
melbrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 20,733
Location: Colorado
Dogs Name: Ori AKA Harold DogDog (Hairy Dog), RIP Caesar, Katana, Kip, Capri
Titles: DogDog Mouthe Extraordinaire; Kip Mr. Behavior; Capri Mis-Behavior
Dogs Age: DogDog 2 yrs?; RIP Kip 11 yrs; Capri 7 yrs; Katana 9 yrs; Caesar 13 yrs
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit melbrod's Gallery
Thanks: 58,763
Thanked 50,683 Times in 16,576 Posts
Images: 6
                     
Click here to find out how melbrod became a supporter
Apoquel worked well for us, I must say. And if you're not planning on giving allergy shots (which are "custom" made to target a specific allergen), but are certain that what is going on with Zeus is due to an environmental allergy, I'm not sure that allergy testing would be that useful for you. It's not that much help knowing that your dog is allergic to a particular pollen when there isn't really anything you can do to get rid of that pollen out in the open air.

So the question is how sure you are that environmental allergies are what is causing Zeus problems.

Incidentally, giving the shots is not that big a deal. You pinch the dogs skin into a little tent (usually on top of the shoulders/neck area) and use a very short needle to inject the med into that "tented" area. The shot amount is fairly small, so you don't have to spend a lot of time pushing the fluid in.


When you do it that way it's hard to mess up. The shots don't seem to be particularly painful. Kip, at least, rarely seemed to even feel it--or at least, he never jumped when I stuck in the needle, or tried to get away from me when I showed up with a syringe.
dobebug likes this.

Last edited by melbrod; 04-06-2019 at 01:08 PM.
melbrod is online now  
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to melbrod For This Useful Post:
CRDobe (04-06-2019), dobebug (04-06-2019), ECIN (04-07-2019), gamermouse0213 (04-06-2019), MeadowCat (04-06-2019), spocksdad (04-06-2019)
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 01:13 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,895
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 6; Lily 4; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 38,244
Thanked 30,307 Times in 10,141 Posts
                     
Leo is on Apoquel, and it really helps her.


~~~The Current Hellhounds~~~
Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T ADP-L5/CH ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-BST
CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-N PKD-T S-ADP-L5/CH S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-BST
~~~Requiescat In Pace~~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!” Julie Flanery, Founder of Rally FrEe
Rosemary is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
melbrod (04-06-2019)
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 01:29 PM
Eschew Prolixity
 
melbrod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 20,733
Location: Colorado
Dogs Name: Ori AKA Harold DogDog (Hairy Dog), RIP Caesar, Katana, Kip, Capri
Titles: DogDog Mouthe Extraordinaire; Kip Mr. Behavior; Capri Mis-Behavior
Dogs Age: DogDog 2 yrs?; RIP Kip 11 yrs; Capri 7 yrs; Katana 9 yrs; Caesar 13 yrs
Gallery Pics: 6
Visit melbrod's Gallery
Thanks: 58,763
Thanked 50,683 Times in 16,576 Posts
Images: 6
                     
Click here to find out how melbrod became a supporter
An interesting story (to us, at least)...
Kip was a participant in one of the double-blind studies that the manufacturers of Apoquel did before they released the drug (late in the process when they had pretty much already established that the drug was reasonably safe).

Apoquel was hard to get for a while; there were often shortages of the medication for a couple of years after it was released, but since Kip had participated in the studies and had been shown to have a positive response to the medication, he was on the list as a high priority to receive the medication. We never had any trouble getting it and never went short of the med.

Apoquel doesn't really treat the allergy per se; it decreases the dog's symptoms (by a different route than steroids or antihistamines). That is, it helps to reduce the inflammation and itchiness that occur with an allergy.
dobebug likes this.

Last edited by melbrod; 04-06-2019 at 01:34 PM.
melbrod is online now  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to melbrod For This Useful Post:
dobebug (04-07-2019), ECIN (04-07-2019), gamermouse0213 (04-06-2019), Rosemary (04-06-2019)
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 02:03 PM Thread Starter
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 205
Location: New Mexico
Dogs Name: Zeus
Dogs Age: Born: October 29, 2017
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit gamermouse0213's Gallery
Thanks: 271
Thanked 474 Times in 150 Posts
                     
@melbrod and @dobebug Thanks for the info about the shots! I was imagining a long needle..And you're right. When Zeus is eating dinner or breakfast, he's totally zoned in to eating and I highly doubt he'd notice a short needle. The dermatologist seemed sure it was environmental, but won't be 100% sure unless we do allergy testing. And she said the same thing as you about testing. She didn't seem super keen on doing it with him, but told us it was an option if we wanted to. There's no "cure" for allergies, just decreasing the symptoms...which is what Apoquel is supposed to be doing. The desensitizing process is supposed to lessen the reaction to his allergens, but won't stop them completely. Thanks for the info about fur regrowth. I had no idea about the timeframe, and unfortunately I'm not known to be a patient person so I'm eyeballing him everyday wondering why that patch has only grown back minimally so far. It hasn't even been a month yet.
The stool sample I took in yesterday is retesting for coccidia, so I should hopefully know something by Monday. These things always seem to occur on the weekend, so the wait is a little longer (what was that I said about patience?...)
The vet tech at his regular vet did say that if the stool sample came back negative, we might look into his food. Honestly, he's eating a ton of it. He was losing weight. He was. 74lbs at the end of February, and when we took him in March for his abscess,) he was down to 71 and looking super skinny (we could see his spine protruding). That's when the stool sample was ordered and the coccidia was found. We were feeding him 5 cups a day at that time, and the vet suggested going up to 6. We're feeding him 3 in the morning 3 in the afternoon. I feel like it's a lot and it's way more than what the bag suggests, but he was looking almost skeletal when we were feeding him less. When he was weighed on Thursday, he was at 78lbs, but it wasn't the same scale so I'm going to take him in to his regular vet just to get a weight on the scale we've been using. We're still adding the Fortiflora probiotic to his food, and he gets a little bit of salmon oil added in his dinner portion. He's eating Purina Pro Plan, Sensitive Skin and Stomach (salmon and rice). I'm giving him 5 1/2 cups now (starting yesterday) because I know (or at least I think I read somewhere) that too much food can cause for bad poops.
gamermouse0213 is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to gamermouse0213 For This Useful Post:
ECIN (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-06-2019)
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 04:54 PM
Super Moderator
 
MeadowCat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 18,745
Location: MN
Dogs Name: Richter; Sypha; RIP Shanoa & Simon
Titles: Richter: CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V ACT1 RATI WAC; Sypha: NW1 NW2 L1C L1V RATI SOG WAC
Dogs Age: d.o.b. 7/13/2012; d.o.b. 12/6/2015
Gallery Pics: 1
Visit MeadowCat's Gallery
Thanks: 45,857
Thanked 54,750 Times in 15,073 Posts
Images: 1
                     
Click here to find out how MeadowCat became a supporter
First, on the topic of Apoquel - years back, my first dog had a bout with some mysterious environmental allergy one year. She was really having a tough time with whatever it was. It was only that one season, and the Apoquel helped tremendously. She had never had any other allergies, and it never resurfaced, so we kind of figured it was something that appeared in our area that year and never came back. I personally wouldn't hesitate to try it, and I also probably would skip the testing. It's pretty hard to eliminate environmental allergens. Those allergies are far more common than food allergies, so it's most likely to be what's going on. I'd personally be most likely to try treating the symptoms and see whether you can get it under control that way before pursuing more testing, but that's me.

As far as the food...5 1/2 cups a day of Proplan seems like way too much food for a 70ish pound dog to me? Richter eats Proplan sensitive. He gets 1 2/3 cup in the morning and 1 2/3 cup at night...I can't imagine his system handling close to 3 cups at a time....the calorie content of Proplan sensitive is really high. If you think he really needs that many calories I might go back to three meals a day, because he might simply be unable to process that much food at once? Maybe Bug has some insight here, but...I'd say probably overfeeding might be a factor here.
dobebug likes this.


DSC_0133
by Shanoa Delta, on Flickr

Richter & Sypha
Glengate's Mountain Fortress CAA L1V NW1 L1I L1E L1C NW2 L2V L2I ACT1 RATI WAC
& Sirai's Golden Masquerade NW1 L1C L1V NW2 RATI SOG WAC
“You cannot get through a single day without having an impact on the world around you.
What you do makes a difference, and you have to decide what kind of difference you want to make.”
― Jane Goodall
MeadowCat is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to MeadowCat For This Useful Post:
dobebug (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-06-2019)
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-06-2019, 04:59 PM
Alpha
 
LadyDi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,212
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Hoss
Titles: Proud European Doberman
Dogs Age: 2
Gallery Pics: 3
Visit LadyDi's Gallery
Thanks: 16,942
Thanked 6,144 Times in 2,552 Posts
Images: 3
                     
Click here to find out how LadyDi became a supporter
Hoss and I have experienced skin issues. Bumps on his back.....pissed off hair follicles..............
So like you I used my vet and dematologist.........at 2 years of age ...both vet’s took the position that this breed was still at a level of developing immunities at 2 and 3 years of age and .......so as I requested treatments . They declined ...because they wanted him to get exposed to these things.......and just keep signs and symptoms under control. Both felt the skin condition was caused by something airborne versus food. As I waited for season changes......noted the condition would go away............so ....so the condition would come and go........as pollen counts changed ......one thing that I also notice each time his skin flares up.....Hoss’s eyes have more eye stuff......
They tend to build up fluid more......but the fluid is clear..........checked that fluid out with Vet’s ...advised ....like us ...dogs react to pollen...and that extra fluid is Hoss way eyes way of dealing with crud in the air.
Now Hoss at 3 years ..he seems to have grown out of his seasonal reactions......
How are Zeus’s eyes?

Hoss
LadyDi is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to LadyDi For This Useful Post:
ECIN (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-06-2019)
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-07-2019, 12:05 PM Thread Starter
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 205
Location: New Mexico
Dogs Name: Zeus
Dogs Age: Born: October 29, 2017
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit gamermouse0213's Gallery
Thanks: 271
Thanked 474 Times in 150 Posts
                     
@LadyDi Zeus always seems to have eye boogers! But his eyes have been draining more lately. I usually have to wipe tears and/or crust from his eyes a couple times a day. It's more than what it was in the winter. I'm pretty sure it's allergies that are messing him up! There's all kinds of stuff flying around and stinky trees that are blooming everywhere. (literally, they stink. They smell like fish!)

@MeadowCat I agree. I feel like we're giving him too much at a time, even though he's looking healthier. No more protruding spine bumps! So yesterday, I tried spacing his food out and only gave him 5 cups. Still did 3 in the morning (which I'm going to reduce to 2) and gave 1 in the early evening, and 1 in the later evening. This morning when he went out, he had a solid poop! So what I'm going to try now starting today is giving 2 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon during training as treats, and 2 in the evening for dinner and see how he does.
dobebug likes this.
gamermouse0213 is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to gamermouse0213 For This Useful Post:
4x4bike ped (04-07-2019), dobebug (04-07-2019), LadyDi (04-07-2019), MeadowCat (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-07-2019)
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-07-2019, 01:26 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 12,895
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 6; Lily 4; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 38,244
Thanked 30,307 Times in 10,141 Posts
                     
Leo is on the same Pro plan food, and at 55-ish pounds, gets one cup in the morning and one cup at night. She's gained the couple of pounds she needed, and has solid poops except when her owner screws up and doesn't account for an extra couple dozen helpings of training treats given during the day.
dobebug likes this.


~~~The Current Hellhounds~~~
Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T ADP-L5/CH ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-BST
CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-N PKD-T S-ADP-L5/CH S-ADP-L1(Pr)/L2(Pr) GPS-BST
~~~Requiescat In Pace~~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!” Julie Flanery, Founder of Rally FrEe
Rosemary is offline  
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
LadyDi (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-07-2019)
post #11 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-07-2019, 06:57 PM
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,306

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobebug's Gallery
Thanks: 10,682
Thanked 19,847 Times in 5,487 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeadowCat View Post
As far as the food...5 1/2 cups a day of Proplan seems like way too much food for a 70ish pound dog to me? Richter eats Proplan sensitive. He gets 1 2/3 cup in the morning and 1 2/3 cup at night...I can't imagine his system handling close to 3 cups at a time....the calorie content of Proplan sensitive is really high. If you think he really needs that many calories I might go back to three meals a day, because he might simply be unable to process that much food at once? Maybe Bug has some insight here, but...I'd say probably overfeeding might be a factor here.
I agree with you MeadowCat, 5-1/2 cup a day of Proplan just seems too much for gamermouse's dog. Toad who is 28-1/2" at the height of his growth and filling out---between about 6 months and 18 months ate 5 or 6 cups of ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach--I looked at him weekly or oftener and if he was looking thinnish he got a little more but if he was looking pudgy he got a little less. By 2 he had settled into getting 2 cups twice a day most of the year--that kept him at 88 or 89 pounds while he was in the conformation ring. By three he was finished and out of the conformation ring and I got his weight down to 85 pounds and that's where it stayed for years when he was running agility. During the winter I'd add a 1/4 cup during the colder weather to keep him at 85 pounds (my house is very cold during the winter).

When he hit around 11 his requirements dropped a little so he was only getting 1-3/4 cups twice a day most of the year and a little more during the winter. Last year he was only getting 1-1/4 cups twice a day--and I had to up him to 2 cups twice a day this winter when it got cold.

But you remembered correctly. Overfeeding is a prime reason for dogs who have cow pie stools. One thing you might want to try (a tip from a handler friend of mine) when you are fooling around amounts and whether to feed three meals just remember to feed the biggest meal at night--the allergies that make him itch may also make him more active and the activity may have him needing a little more food than a dog his age and build would normally require. You might try feeding 1-1/2 cups for breakfast and 1 cup for lunch and then give him 2-1/2 cups for his dinner.

And I'd try the Apoquel--you may find that he'll gain weight and carry better weight if the allergies (probably are environmental--it's really common) are controlled enough to make him more comfortable.

Good luck...

dobebug
dobebug is online now  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to dobebug For This Useful Post:
gamermouse0213 (04-07-2019), LadyDi (04-08-2019), MeadowCat (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-07-2019), Rosemary (04-07-2019)
post #12 of 12 (permalink) Old 04-07-2019, 07:02 PM
Alpha
 
CRDobe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,146
Location: Costa Rica
Dogs Name: Ziva
Dogs Age: 6-11-2014
Gallery Pics: 4
Visit CRDobe's Gallery
Thanks: 1,827
Thanked 2,103 Times in 877 Posts
Images: 4
                     
Click here to find out how CRDobe became a supporter
My girl has been on Apoquel for about 9 months for environmental allergies that her scratching almost nonstop. It has been like a miracle and we are both much more comfortable.
dobebug likes this.
CRDobe is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to CRDobe For This Useful Post:
4x4bike ped (04-07-2019), melbrod (04-07-2019), Rosemary (04-07-2019)
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome