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Stomach tacking

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My Kona is just about finishing her first heat and I will be having her spayed in a couple of months. I was thinking of having her stomach tacked at the same time so it does not twist if she gets bloat. We lost our last Dobe to bloat so it scares me. I would appreciate any comments on this. Kona is our 5th Dobe and we only had one with bloat so I really do not know if it is worth it.
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Yeah, Deb...

It's scary. My youngest's sire died of torsion.I have read up on the symptoms and immediate treatment of bloat. We are lucky where we live. We have several 24/7 good emergency veterinary hospitals nearby. Still...I am sometimes in areas with no immediate care.

So... If my boy was in for a procedure which required complete anesthesia, I would consider it.

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Edit to say: McCoy has never bloated so, it would take some serious "consideration".

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Since she's a female and they will be "opening her up" so to speak, for a spay, I would definitely get her stomach tacked at the same time. I've dealt with bloat a number of times with one of my dogs. We had his stomach tacked during his surgery to correct torsion the first time. Tacking a stomach will not prevent bloat (they can still fill up with gas), but it will keep the stomach from flipping...which is the absolute super emergency part of a bloat episode.

Bloating is always an emergency, of course, but having the stomach tacked gives you a little bit more time to get your dog to the vet. A few hours vs maybe just 30 or 40 minutes. In the middle of the night that can make a huge difference.

For a female who is already getting spayed, it's definitely worth the extra money to tack the stomach while they're in there, in my opinion.
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I'm torn on this issue. I lost my first Doberman to bloat at age 11. I've spayed two personal bitches since then that I had the stomach tacked at the same time - both times on mature bitches. It is a longer incision and a longer recovery time. The first bitch I had it done on was probably around 3 when I spayed her (never bred). Velma did fine with the procedure. I spayed my Louise at age 6 after 2 litters. The stomach tack seemed to go fine, but a few days out, she developed a bad infection and had blood and pus literally spraying out of her (that was the first indication that something was wrong). She recovered fine, but it was pretty scary. Since then, I've only done a simple spay. I did a simple spay on my Jezebel 5 years ago, and she went in for repeated vomiting last week - X-ray showed her stomach was distended but not flipped - so we got lucky. I've got gas-x on hand for any repeat performance.
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I have a couple of friends who are vets, one who is an emergency specialist. We've talked quite a bit about it, especially with the breed predisposition. I've also had a lot of conversation with my own vet, who is also a friend at this point - she's been my vet for about a decade, and I would trust her to make any decisions for my pets if I wasn't able to make them myself.

Given all the information I have, I've personally made the decision to do preventative gastropexy twice - on my first girl, and also on Richter - he had a retained testicle, so his neuter was pretty invasive. I have not regretted it. It IS a longer recovery, and you do need to restrict not only activity, but also stretching up (like getting up on the sofa), if you want the best recovery. For ME, it's the right decision.


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My personal opinion would be to do it anytime the abdomen area is opened. I failed to ask for it when I had my dog spayed, but never fear, 6 months later they were back in there to remove a corn cob and 1/3 of her small intestine. I asked them to tack her stomach then. Poor girl almost died from the corn cob. Corn on the cob is a banned food in my house.
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Such a great question because I have seen some info in the issue but as this is my first dobie I wasn’t sure if it’s actually something I should worry about!
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My personal opinion would be to do it anytime the abdomen area is opened. I failed to ask for it when I had my dog spayed, but never fear, 6 months later they were back in there to remove a corn cob and 1/3 of her small intestine. I asked them to tack her stomach then. Poor girl almost died from the corn cob. Corn on the cob is a banned food in my house.
Yuo...

That's why tennis balls are banned in my house. Fortunately there was no necrosis, so his intestines were repaired pretty much intact. However, his vet had him on the table within 1/2 hour of me bringing him in. He had gone down hill SO quickly. They took 1/2 of a tennis ball out. His vet (the surgeon) said had I not come in when I did, it would have been a matter of hours or even minutes before his intestines burst, in which case, he could not have been saved.

I was actually able to take him home that night, and he recovered quickly. With all of the staples running the length of his belly, my son (his actual owner, who was out of town at the time) called him "Frankenpuppy". LOL

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Such a great question because I have seen some info in the issue but as this is my first dobie I wasn’t sure if it’s actually something I should worry about!

Yeah this is good info for you.......one of the things you can start training on right now are the things she is allowed to chew and play with and those things that are not for chewing or toys.

When Hoss first came home at 12 weeks.....he like to pick up rocks.....those were always immediately removed from his mouth. Then he went after frogs .......some in florida are deadly and will kill a dog within minutes . The frog poison will close off their airway.............vets say if dog comes in contact with frog get a garden hose in the mouth immediately to flush.......if you wait will be dead by the time you get to the vet office........so .......as a result of these articles.......
Hoss as a baby pup never was allowed to roam outside unless I was watching him every minute......we have alot of frogs .....yep at night out there with a flashlight watching every move.......this was good for the prevention of bad habits of eating any products that was not good for him.
As far a toys .......in the puppy stages ....those were also used under supervision only...........when done playing .....toys were put away until we were ready to play again.
Later as he matured I found the toys that were suitable for him to use while alone........
Prevention is the key here........you pup is no different that have a newborn baby in your house .....
initially they must be taught.........yes it takes time.........over and over and over again.......drop it ......leave it.........then they learn through your training of what's acceptable to eat .
Today Hoss at 3 years ......he does not ingest weird things .......just his daily food and treats.
Lizards he dobie smacks them to death ...but no desire to eat them.............no issues with rocks, sticks or frogs anymore..........he gets marrow bones one time a week......but the bone is larger than he could ever swallow...........thanks to Publix ........big long beef shank bones.....yumm.......so morticia .....soon you will get exhausted ....like moms do with a newborn baby from sleep interruption......but Mama ....watch her like a hawk......its worth it in the long run.......

Hoss

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I would do it, I had a previous dane bloat and torsion, and his stomach was tacked as part of the surgery to fix it. My current Dane was tacked when neutered as he has always had stomach problems and is anxious, which increases his likelihood of bloating. Recovery for him was actually very easy, but he never bothered his stitches and has a lower energy level. When/if I spay my current Doberman, I will also tack her as her mom bloated last year. The peace of mind is worth it for me.
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