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What is the best food for a shiny coat and healthy skin? Should I be doing all raw organic food or is the dry food ok?
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The "best" food is one your dog does well on, likes to eat, and you can afford to feed. The "best" food for my dogs could be entirely wrong for your dog, and vice versa.

This is an excellent book to read on canine nutrition, called Dog Food Logic. http://www.dogwise.com/itemdetails.cfm?ID=DN332

This is a good place to start comparing foods. https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/ Most people will tell you to only feed a food rated four or five stars, but I'm personally comfortable with a three star rating. Don't take is as "gospel", though. The food still has to "fit" your dog. I've fed highly recommended, five star foods that my dogs did horrible on.
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I think you'll get a different answer from each person. Except I don't think I know anyone who would recommend canned food as a main diet.

But different dogs do well on different foods.

Personally, I start with a decent quality dry food. I look for shiny coat, lots of energy, clear skin, bearable gas...when I find that food, it's a good one for my dog. And that may not even be the most expensive, heavily-marketed premium food out there.

An example....I've heard of quite a few dobes who do well on Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach (salmon based). Not exactly marketed as a premium brand.....but there it is.

If your dog does well on a food, it's the best food for him.
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Tonight I offered help // a 5 month old puppy, on Orijen fighting constant diarrhea.
- so I am documenting, my lessons learned here
- Kelly also switched from Acana, to Orijen Regional Red, to Nulo, protein was much too high for her

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We fought soft stools & off/on diarrhea for over 5 years / checked liver #'s, stool samples negative, extensive blood work was negative...always used premium 4-5 star kibble (Orijen Regional Red), home cooking & 5 star dried liver treats, changed kibble few times, tried grain free (no better) / finally a gifted Vet surgeon checked out Kelly girl, and knew exactly what she needed...she needed a LOW PROTEIN (24% max.)//HIGH CARB diet. Sending kisses & hugs to Tupac xoxooxoxoxooo from Canada...I will be back ‎Ainzley, going to find a link, to Kelly's awesome home-made healthy kibble. Even 12 y/o little Trevor (sons YorkiePoo) loves the new food. Kelly has had a 100% recovery, perfect stools all the time now.

- read my Post #88, and order the food online Surf and turf - HomeMade Pets Foods
https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...s-ideas-4.html
- read my Post #22 // Topic - Acana/Orijen - too much copper
https://www.dobermantalk.com/food-fe...ch-copper.html

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b) only feed 5 star kibble & treats (now) + limited table scraps
c) and have 2 exceptionally-gifted vets (one Holistic, other for surgeries, and acupuncture & chiropractor)
d) our pups are trained early, not to digest or swallow foreign objects / expensive obstruction surgery avoided
e) we never buy puppy food, avoiding faster growth / only use All-Life Stages, for improved skeletal structure
f) don't over-vaccinate, that weakens the immune system / bare minimum approach taken
g) don't spay our FM's, till growth plates are closed ...usually 3 months after, 2nd heat

PS

VETS commonly sold Hills Science Diet & Medical / Royal Canin bought the Medical brand, and got into the profitable vet pet food business...most vet foods, are a 2.5 to 3 star at best.
- I insist on 4 star kibble Minimum and 5 star dried liver treats (CHEWMASTERS from Costco / made in USA)
https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/
- and with skin problems, always avoid chicken formula
- I sold Royal Canin some 17 years ago / and quick to drop the line, after first year (in business)

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My youngest has a shiny coat and with the exception of the typical minor puppy skin issues, has always had perfect skin. No dryness or itching.

He is almost 4 yo. At 14 months, a transitioned him from the large breed puppy for that his breeder had recommended (He did very well on it) to Orejin and Acana. For him it was an easy switch although I know that many dogs find these two foods too rich.

Today we are down to Acana. It is a 5 star kibble.I vary the main protein every few months with no problem.
I also add a bunch of other things to his kibble. Usually 2-4 different small servings per meal. Typically:

Honest Kitchen dehydrated raw
Plain yogurt
Cottage cheese
100% pumpkin
Raw or cooked meat or chicken.
Eggs (any style! LOL)
A five star canned food
Fruit..such as blue berries
Vegetables... such as frozen peas
Table scraps... such as left over salmon
Homemade stock (bone broth)

Well... You get the idea. And yes, it can get expensive

Oh.. He also gets 1000 mg of fish oil and 200 iu of vitamin E per day

Mostly I do this just for me. McCoy would eat sticks and mud if I put it in his bowl.

One other thing... This dog has never been bathed. That's not to say if he gets dirty that he does not get hosed off with cool water. If he get's a little stinky or itchy (probably due to summer seasonal allergies, I wipe him down with a homemade dilute spray mixture of aloe and distilled water with a bit of lidocaine and essential oil added. It works great without drying out his skin like a lot of medicated shampoos do.

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I'm not a fan of the Dog Food Advisor site anymore. It's run by a dentist, not by anyone who has any kind of degree in canine nutrition. I DO recommend the book Dog Food Logic, by Linda Case. Here is a blog post she JUST wrote on food and nutrition: https://thesciencedog.wordpress.com/...s-complicated/ Her blog is worth following, IMO - she writes on a lot of topics, including nutrition.

If you're getting a puppy, I would keep the puppy on whatever the breeder is feeding for at least a month or longer.
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My youngest has a shiny coat and with the exception of the typical minor puppy skin issues, has always had perfect skin. No dryness or itching.

He is almost 4 yo. At 14 months, a transitioned him from the large breed puppy for that his breeder had recommended (He did very well on it) to Orejin and Acana. For him it was an easy switch although I know that many dogs find these two foods too rich.

Today we are down to Acana. It is a 5 star kibble.I vary the main protein every few months with no problem.
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Eggs (any style! LOL)
A five star canned food
Fruit..such as blue berries
Vegetables... such as frozen peas
Table scraps... such as left over salmon
Homemade stock (bone broth)

Well... You get the idea. And yes, it can get expensive

Oh.. He also gets 1000 mg of fish oil and 200 iu of vitamin E per day

Mostly I do this just for me. McCoy would eat sticks and mud if I put it in his bowl.

One other thing... This dog has never been bathed. That's not to say if he gets dirty that he does not get hosed off with cool water. If he get's a little stinky or itchy (probably due to summer seasonal allergies, I wipe him down with a homemade dilute spray mixture of aloe and distilled water with a bit of lidocaine and essential oil added. It works great without drying out his skin like a lot of medicated shampoos do.

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Dang, John...your dog eats better than I do!
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Dang, John...your dog eats better than I do!
Amen to that 4x4..I was drooling by the time I was done reading that post.....

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LOL TN... I know what you mean. If I buy a steak to grill, I always get an extra 1/2 lb, which I trim off before grilling for McCoy. Makes for one expensive meal when it's an Angus Porterhouse! Same with fresh caught Columbia River Chinook salmon. The salmon gets cooked of course. We have a problem with SPD (Salmon Poisoning Disease) here in the Pacific NW.

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I feed raw, but I do transition some of my puppies to kibble for my puppy buyer's that won't feed raw. I use and recommend Life's Abundance and have been really happy with the results. https://www.lifesabundance.com/Home....lname=20592950


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I had good luck just feeding what my breeder had my pup on (pedigree something or another), then after that I asked my vet what they would recommend (made sure that I specified that I was not interested in whatever brand they sold, to get that bias out of the way ) She ended up recommending a local brand, that I would consider mid-high range as far as quality/price goes. I didn't have such good luck with the large breed puppy formula (stinky farts, bad skin, dull coat), but he does well on other formulas of the same brand.

At the end of the day it's whatever your dog does well on, it doesn't really matter if it's a "premium" brand or not.

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Yes I also agree with you, there is no perfect answer for best food, maybe some food is good for some dogs & some not. So the food that your dog likes might be a good fit for him.
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