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About aging of a doberman

Hi all, happy 4th. I fell in love with a dobe puppy that was offered to me by a neighbor that lived closeby when he was only 18 month old because Ferdi was overly naughty and got himself in frequent trouble. Ferdi required immediate medical treatment to which I agreed, he had 7-8 broken teeth including incissors. I took him to College of Vet Medicine in Urbana Champaign who performed series of Vital Pulpotomies on him.

At age 8, Ferdi was hit by a truck and hospitalized for a 4-5 days, he had ascites and other complications, underwent surgery plus was suspected to have carcinomotosis. He did not recover until the Gastroenterologist saw him and put him on 'Prednisone'. Meantime his biopsies came negative. His surgeon had noted that his intestines are so bunched up that eventually he will die due to lack of intestinal motility (which she explained as malnutrition since he will not eat)

He is today 100% healthy. He eats very well (which makes me so happy) and I keep his weight in check, he is slim and trim at 90 lbs. However in last 3 months his muzzle has turned white which is freaking me out. Ferdi is my 1st dog and I want to take all preventative measures for his health. I take him regularly to Vet, but they dont believe in any anti-aging treatments. I am not prepared to lose this beautiful gift of God ... what a unique privilege to own a doberman.

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1. At what age does muzzle for a doberman turn grey?
2. Is this normal aging, or could it be sign that he is facing some stress (that I need to find and alleviate)?
3. Have you given anti-aging medicines to your dobe? If so, which ones?
4. Important: Does anyone has experience giving: 'Glutathione' - its a master antioxidant so powerful that can reverse aging. (Most of human research indicates its not effective for humans as a supplement since the gluathione molecules are oxidized or destroyed by certain protein organisms except they note that in vitro research indicates it is effective in test subjects mice and 'dogs'!!!)
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A couple of mine have started greying as early as 5; some really get very little grey even as a much older dog...how old is your guy now?

Heart disease is the biggie limiting a dobe's life these days, it seems. The average life of a dobe is about 9 years....some live until 12-14, others die of DCM by 5. So it really depends on the individual dog's heritage. Do you know how long his parents lived?

Keep him at a good weight with an appropriate amount of exercise, feed him a good diet (whatever he does well on--shiny coat and lots of energy) and keep up his vet visits including yearly checks for heart trouble (houlter and sonogram), and he will live as long as he is destined to live.
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Dobermans grey at no specific age. Just like humans. My maternal grandfather was grey by 30 yo. My father did not even begin to grey into well int his late 70's. Today at 92 he is only half grey.

My son's senior has a totally grey muzzle; and grey eye spots. Years ago I had a boy who passed at 9 yo+ without a guy hair anywhere.

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.1 At what age does muzzle for a doberman turn grey?

7 to 8 years - there like people some just age different .

2Is this normal aging, or could it be sign that he is facing some stress (that I need to find and alleviate)?

Oh yeah - it normal !

3. Have you given anti-aging medicines to your dobe? If so, which ones?


Yes we have - It's called lot's of love - exercise - high grade food - and more love

3-4 Have you given anti-aging medicines to your dobe? If so, which ones?


Sorry here - But I think that drug or med or what ever is just wish full thinkin or snake oil - Besides - I would have already been on it - lol


Ferdi was overly naughty and got himself in frequent trouble


LOL ! I think that most young Doberman males have this problem - LOL It's called be'n' a pup



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He is 9 yr and 6 months old now. I dont know how old his parents lived (I once searched through AKC stuff and didn't find any notable mentions). His coat is shiny, fortunately he is still very playful and loves to run. Although I no longer leave him in backyard to free run, since over last one year he tries to run aggressively (as he did when pup) and then later on he has pain in his legs and starts to limp. The limping disappears over 1-2 days. Now I only take him out on leash for jogging once every other day for about 2 miles, which he loves, and there is no limping afterwards.

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A couple of mine have started greying as early as 5; some really get very little grey even as a much older dog...how old is your guy now?

Heart disease is the biggie limiting a dobe's life these days, it seems. The average life of a dobe is about 9 years....some live until 12-14, others die of DCM by 5. So it really depends on the individual dog's heritage. Do you know how long his parents lived?

Keep him at a good weight with an appropriate amount of exercise, feed him a good diet (whatever he does well on--shiny coat and lots of energy) and keep up his vet visits including yearly checks for heart trouble (houlter and sonogram), and he will live as long as he is destined to live.
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Aw Fathom, I know exactly how you feel. These dogs really do wrap themselves around your heart and life. My daughters, Duggan at age +8 is just now starting to turn grey. He is so precious to us that we can hardly stand to know it won't be forever, so you take the advice of Ken and enjoy everyday with him and the love and good care I can tell you are giving him, is the best any money could buy.
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He is 9 yr and 6 months old now. I dont know how old his parents lived (I once searched through AKC stuff and didn't find any notable mentions). His coat is shiny, fortunately he is still very playful and loves to run. Although I no longer leave him in backyard to free run, since over last one year he tries to run aggressively (as he did when pup) and then later on he has pain in his legs and starts to limp. The limping disappears over 1-2 days. Now I only take him out on leash for jogging once every other day for about 2 miles, which he loves, and there is no limping afterwards.
This is probably old news for you, but try to jog him on soft surfaces (grass or dirt paths, not asphalt roads or concrete) to put less stress on his legs. And make sure he can stop when he wants to---he'll try to keep up with you forever, well past the time when he's really had enough.
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If he gets stiff, you might look into a joint supplement - I've had good success with older dogs on Dasuquin with MSM, and my veterinarians like and recommend it. My boy, who is only six, is on it, because he broke a toe as a puppy and it does get sore sometimes. A previous Doberman was on it when he was older and it did make a difference in his comfort.

Nearly 10 years old is doing very well for a Doberman! Continue to keep him lean, keep him exercised (as appropriate for his age and how he feels). I wouldn't worry about the gray.


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I've had good success with older dogs on Dasuquin with MSM, and my veterinarians like and recommend it


Great point MC ! Ali and Kasia were both on that same thing ! Also vet advised us to do it .
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I use glycoflex stage 3 + green lipped mussel powder + bone broth powder (the people kind) for my 11.5 year old. This combo seems to keep his arthritis under control and he gets around very well. I have not had to do adequan injections yet. I also keep him very lean ( I see 3 or 4 ribs).
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Just like people, dogs start to gray at different ages. I have one that really didn't have much gray before he turned 10, but is getting a lot more gray this year. He is in great shape for a 10 1/2 year old, but I do limit his exercise in hot weather. I also started daily giving him a human glucosamine with MSM about 2 years ago. I get a big bottle at Costco, which lasts a long time.
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I like ECIN's reply--concise and to the point.

Grey and age of greying is genetic--I have known dogs from lines that typically go grey early and have seen some whose markings (especially on the face) were WHITE at six or seven years. And I've owned several Dobes who had no grey hair in their markings at 10. My 12-1/2 year old is just now starting to show grey in his eye brows and muzzle.

My dogs all get the Costco Glucosamine + MSN (recommended by their vets--much less expensive than the "made for pets" Dasuaquin + MSN) Just picked up a bottle yesterday--it was on sale at $9.99--$3.00 off regular price--for 375 tablets) They get one tablet with each meal.

Good tips from everyone who answered your post here so good luck--we all hope our dogs will last for years and years--sometimes they do and sometimes they don't but I always figure that every day is a bonus on my older dogs.
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