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Gnat bites...?

So, I've seen all kinds of photos online recently of dogs with gnat bites, and it seems they've found their way to Radar. He has a big cluster of bites right at the base of his ribs, just before his belly. Its pretty swollen, and seems like it it causing him some pain/discomfort, he won't let me get close enough to touch or examine it, and SO said he yelped a little when laying down earlier in the day.

Has anyone had success in dealing with this themselves, or is this something we should see the vet for? Can I give him benadryl in the meantime to ease some of the swelling/discomfort?

I'll try to get some photos later, but right now he is not having it.

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Here's the best photo I can get right now...its the big bulgy area with red marks.

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Not a vet, as you know.....but I guess for tonight I'd give him some antihistamine, see if he'll let you wash the areas with mild soap and pat his skin dry gently. You could try an ice pack off and on to help with the itching and swelling (but I rather doubt he'll let you do that.)

If he's still sensitive and hurting tomorrow, or if the inflammation is worse or starting to look infected (oozy crusty stuff, yellowish discharge) I'd take him to the vet. The vet may give you something to put on the sore areas, or may even think he could use a steroid shot or antibiotics.

Just winging it here, though...........
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Not a vet, as you know.....but I guess for tonight I'd give him some antihistamine, see if he'll let you wash the areas with mild soap and pat his skin dry gently. You could try an ice pack off and on to help with the itching and swelling (but I rather doubt he'll let you do that.)

If he's still sensitive and hurting tomorrow, or if the inflammation is worse or starting to look infected (oozy crusty stuff, yellowish discharge) I'd take him to the vet. The vet may give you something to put on the sore areas, or may even think he could use a steroid shot or antibiotics.

Just winging it here, though...........
Thanks Mel. I'll see what he will allow...the poor baby is miserable.

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Hoss's dermatologist recommends Zyrtec ..
Similar to benedryl but has an additional ingredient not offered in Benedryl........
Did you see the bugs that actually bit him??
They look painful......poor guy...

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Those almost look like fire ant bites. Very painful and itchy, if they are.


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Those almost look like fire ant bites. Very painful and itchy, if they are.
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I didn't see them....I noticed while he was napping in the house.

I dont think we have fire ants in MN, but we do have quite a lot of ants in the back yard. I will have to do some research on what kind of ants bite around here.

Vet prescribed an oral antibiotic and said to try cortisone cream for now - will go back in after a day or so if no improvement.

In the meantime I'm gonna get him a kuranda bed for outside I think.

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I'm glad you called your vet. I'm always hesitant for people to dose their dog, even with a commonly given drug, if they've never had it before.

I do use a really nice bug deterrent on my dogs and myself when we're out (in addition to our heartworm and flea/tick preventative) and it seems to do a decent job of helping deter some of the bugs. I put it on for hikes, or when the bugs are bad. I'm generally not into a ton of alternative stuff, but I do like this, and it does work for us - it's the DoTerra TerraShield. It's safe for pets and people. They have a spray, or the essential oil blend. https://www.doterra.com/US/en/p/terrashield-blend I have the oil, so I rub just a bit on my hands and rub lightly over the dogs.
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I'm glad you called your vet. I'm always hesitant for people to dose their dog, even with a commonly given drug, if they've never had it before.

I do use a really nice bug deterrent on my dogs and myself when we're out (in addition to our heartworm and flea/tick preventative) and it seems to do a decent job of helping deter some of the bugs. I put it on for hikes, or when the bugs are bad. I'm generally not into a ton of alternative stuff, but I do like this, and it does work for us - it's the DoTerra TerraShield. It's safe for pets and people. They have a spray, or the essential oil blend. https://www.doterra.com/US/en/p/terrashield-blend I have the oil, so I rub just a bit on my hands and rub lightly over the dogs.
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I was too nervous to give him benadryl - so I ended up wetting down a wash cloth and putting it into the freezer for a while, then using it as a cool compress. He wouldn't let me wash it (not surprised - he doesn't like anything resembling a bath even when he feels good...)

I will look into that - we live right next to a drinking water lake - so no mosquito treatments can be used on it, and no lawn pesticides allowed. It gets REALLY buggy, especially in the early-mid summer. I'm hoping that I can get him a nice kuranda bed to get him up off the ground, maybe that will help. He just loves laying in the grass and chewing the bark off sticks...

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I was too nervous to give him benadryl - so I ended up wetting down a wash cloth and putting it into the freezer for a while, then using it as a cool compress. He wouldn't let me wash it (not surprised - he doesn't like anything resembling a bath even when he feels good...)

I will look into that - we live right next to a drinking water lake - so no mosquito treatments can be used on it, and no lawn pesticides allowed. It gets REALLY buggy, especially in the early-mid summer. I'm hoping that I can get him a nice kuranda bed to get him up off the ground, maybe that will help. He just loves laying in the grass and chewing the bark off sticks...
Makes sense! If you want to try a cheaper version of an outdoor dog bed to see if he'll use it, I have this: Coolaroo Dog bed Not as nice as Kuranda, but very inexpensive, and similar in style. I got it for Richter years ago, and he would never use it. Sypha took to it immediately, so it gets use now. It's held up very well - easy to put together, and I even leave it out in the winter, so it's endured a lot of weather and still is in very good shape!


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Makes sense! If you want to try a cheaper version of an outdoor dog bed to see if he'll use it, I have this: Coolaroo Dog bed Not as nice as Kuranda, but very inexpensive, and similar in style. I got it for Richter years ago, and he would never use it. Sypha took to it immediately, so it gets use now. It's held up very well - easy to put together, and I even leave it out in the winter, so it's endured a lot of weather and still is in very good shape!
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I don't think that looks like either gnat or mosquito bites. You usually don't see either of those bites in clusters.

I'd suspect ant (and several kinds of ant bites will swell and itch a lot) or spider bites--which are also very itchy.

This is just a suggestion but in many of your posts about Radar and things that are going on with him you talk about the things he won't let you do, or look at. By this time, at his age you should be able to look at every part of him, feel swelling, medicate him, look in his mouth and his ears. It helps a lot when your dog will let you check every inch of him, even when he's not crazy about it and you can teach them to accept that by practicing daily, handling them all over when there is nothing wrong gets them used to the process and they are much less likely to fight it--and much more likely to tolerate it when there is a problem which may be painful or uncomfortable.
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I don't think that looks like either gnat or mosquito bites. You usually don't see either of those bites in clusters.

I'd suspect ant (and several kinds of ant bites will swell and itch a lot) or spider bites--which are also very itchy.

This is just a suggestion but in many of your posts about Radar and things that are going on with him you talk about the things he won't let you do, or look at. By this time, at his age you should be able to look at every part of him, feel swelling, medicate him, look in his mouth and his ears. It helps a lot when your dog will let you check every inch of him, even when he's not crazy about it and you can teach them to accept that by practicing daily, handling them all over when there is nothing wrong gets them used to the process and they are much less likely to fight it--and much more likely to tolerate it when there is a problem which may be painful or uncomfortable.
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I may be a little dramatic in saying "he won't let me" do certain things...SO and I have spent a lot of time "handling" him, since he was a pup, but he is starting to get a mind of his own, and at this time, unless SO is around to help me wrangle him, it can be a little difficult to get things done that he doesn't like (i.e. poking/prodding painful swollen bites). Last night, I was having trouble getting photos/examining the swelling/bites because he wasn't feeling comfortable to lie down, and I couldn't really get underneath him to look/take photos. Most of the struggle I think comes from his sheer size - it is hard to maneuver a dog when they weigh nearly as much as you! Part of it also comes from my own fear of hurting him - especially last night, I could tell they were really painful to him, and when I tried to look/touch them, he was wincing quite a bit, which scares me. Overall he is really good about being touched/manipulated, and I think many of the shortcomings in this department come from my fear/worrriedness.

He does really well with handling when there's nothing wrong - I can touch feet, ears (cleaning his ears puts him to sleep), toes, teeth/lips, tail, etc without much fuss from him. The only real issues I have are bathtime - just the "get in the bath" part - once he's in he accepts it, and nail trimming - which isn't terrible, he would really just rather not do it, so it's easier as a two person job. Otherwise he is great

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Well ------------ It's time for farm boy to chime in - lol

My bet is it's mosquito bites ! I'm with Rad - There is no fire ants in MN - But - I have heard from other friends that live in MN is that the state bird is a Mosquito ! Yep there that big !


Anyway - there is really only a few ways to control them - spray Insecticide - Which I personally would not do - Keep your grass cut short !!!!!!!!!!! All weeds or tall grass around fence cut short -


I have not did this before - but there is a plant that is suppose to keep them away - Can't spell the dang word - lol There is also the candles that has the same stuff in it . Somebody help me here


Don't believe there are ant bits -


I'm know you work with Radar - But what Bug said is 1,000 % right - I have worked with all our dogs with the - time to have a check up - Have them roll over and check there bellies - look at teeth - ears - everything the Vet would do except the rear end temp check

I had a examine just last night on Mr. Business You should be able this any time Rad - When they get it - you can do this in times like this . JMO



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