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Skinny 18 month old won't keep weight on

So as the title states, I have an 18 month old female dobie. She's on the smaller side, weighing in at around 54-55 lbs, and occasionally dipping down to 52-53 lbs. Currently I feed her 4 1/2 whopping cups of zignature zessentials dog food (a 5 * food) and she's still pretty lean looking. I can see her last 3-4 ribs and on some days her spine. I've taken her to two vets, and both say she looks on the leaner side but still OK and tested negative for any parasites. Currently she gets about an 1hr to 1.5 hrs of rigorous fetch in the mornings. If I didn't stop and put the ball away she'd probably go all day!

Given her size, amount of exercise in the AM is 4.5 cups of food normal for such a small 18 month old? I just want to make sure my vet isn't missing something, and I also want to make sure I don't over feed her if this kind of growth is normal for her age. I'll try to post a recent photo when it's light outside, I guess I'm just looking for some reassurance that this much food intake for such a lean dog is normal.
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How many calories is she getting? Can you post some photos to show her condition?
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So as of now she's getting 1,850 cal a day total. Split that in two for a morning meal and an evening meal. Sorry about the photo, it's the best I could do at the moment since my husband's not home to help hold her for a photo. It's cold so getting her to leave her spot on the couch and stand up for me was tough LOL.
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She does not look too thin to me.
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Okay then! I think as a overly doting owner I get nervous sometimes when I look at her and can see some extra rib. I guess she just has a high metabolism for her size/age? Either way I like having the forum to get reassurance once in a while if I feel like I may be doing something wrong, so thanks for the input.
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I think she looks good!
If i was ever to get another female i would seek that size especially if could get the high energy of your girl . To me less than 60 # for a female that has a healthy look is perfect.
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Like green and alan...

From the one pic. I think she looks like she is at a nice weight.

So... never had bitches, but over the years, my dogs have kind of just ended up where they ended up.

Our last 3 at their "best weights"

1} Big guy: 95 lb. always trying to push a buck or more

2} Our eldest: best at about 65 lb. Fat at 70.

3) My boy McCoy (3+ yo) : I tried to keep him at 80 lb. after he turned 3, he was determined to run up to 85+. He just had a full cardio and annual and both vets said his weight was "spot on".

So... to my point: 3 dogs, all from the same breeder, all raised basically the same. A weight (and size) differential of about 30%. Your girl will be what she ends up being size wise.

Personally, I think that 55 lb. girl at a year and a half is a wonderful size. By 3, she will be a 60 lb. bitch, well within the reasonable stats for a Dobe girl.

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Our girl was skinny, and on 4-5 star kibble / until she turned 2 y/o.
- than she just started to develop more muscle mass and put on the pounds
- excess feeding cause soft stools
- I don't think, I would feed her more / she will fill out, some just take longer

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Our girl was skinny, and on 4-5 star kibble / until she turned 2 y/o.
- than she just started to develop more muscle mass and put on the pounds
- excess feeding cause soft stools
- I don't think, I would feed her more / she will fill out, some just take longer
I think this is the correct question I should have been asking: is this normal and will she fill out?! I think she's just the slowest maturing dog I've had, though she's also my first dobie so sometimes I'm just not sure. Our pointers all pretty much finished growing and filling out by her age. As far as her stools go, surprisingly she's A-ok. Even the vet's eyes widened when I told him how much I feed her but when I assured him she's got good, firm, non stinky stools he just shrugged and said that some just need to eat more. Thanks all for the reassurances!

And for anyone reading this thread in a similar situation, zignature is a great choice of food for dogs that have food allergies/sensitivities. Our girl had diarrhea and soft stools on Orijen, Acana, Solid Gold, and just about everything else I tried on her until we found zignature because it's a limited ingredient diet. Good quality stuff and honestly not a bad price to boot!
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I personally think you just have to disregard the "amount" of food and look at your dog to judge if it's the right amount of food for them. Each dog is so individual in their metabolism (just like people!) that what they need to maintain correct body composition is really different.

From the photo, she looks to be at about the right weight, so if her stools are good, I'd say stick with what you're feeding and don't worry about it. I try not to get caught up on the "number" of what a dog weighs, but rather, is their body condition good for their frame? Are they active and healthy and is their coat condition and stool good? If so, great! Things are good. As an example, my 60 pound bitch requires more calories than my 75 pound male to maintain weight. Factors are likely that she's still intact, is *slightly* more active (though not much)...she just has a metabolism that needs more calories than he does. I just feed what each dog needs to look "right" for them.
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I think this is the correct question I should have been asking: is this normal and will she fill out?! I think she's just the slowest maturing dog I've had, though she's also my first dobie so sometimes I'm just not sure. Our pointers all pretty much finished growing and filling out by her age. As far as her stools go, surprisingly she's A-ok. Even the vet's eyes widened when I told him how much I feed her but when I assured him she's got good, firm, non stinky stools he just shrugged and said that some just need to eat more. Thanks all for the reassurances!

And for anyone reading this thread in a similar situation, zignature is a great choice of food for dogs that have food allergies/sensitivities. Our girl had diarrhea and soft stools on Orijen, Acana, Solid Gold, and just about everything else I tried on her until we found zignature because it's a limited ingredient diet. Good quality stuff and honestly not a bad price to boot!
Kelly was on Acana for early 2 years (couldn't gain weight) and Orijen for the next 2 years.
- she frequently had soft stools, off & on
She has been on her 3rd large bag of Nulo Lamb & Lentils with good stools & the thinning of neck hair plus crusty skin there, has all cleared up.
- we got similar results from Orijen, Acana, with some dandruff / something agreeably in their brands or something missing, it seams...good to know
- the Zignature Zssential brand sounds great, for Lambchop...

Kelly was slow to mature and had a puppy brain, much longer / our first 2 girls, matured quickly, and low weight was never a concern...their all different - in the end, all 3 girls, ended up of similar weight.

Kelly is on the heavier side now (@ 5.5 y/o), and only gets 0.67 lb of homemade cooked meat/veggy stew in the morning with 1.0 cups of separate kibble / plus 1.0 cup of kibble at 5:00 pm.
- so over time, 4-5 cups/day, might be excessive / considering the kibble is free of fillers, with quality meat protein

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I personally think you just have to disregard the "amount" of food and look at your dog to judge if it's the right amount of food for them. Each dog is so individual in their metabolism (just like people!) that what they need to maintain correct body composition is really different.

----- I just feed what each dog needs to look "right" for them.
^^^ What she said. Lily, my three year old, 38-ish pound APBT gets 3/4 cup of kibble twice a day. Leo, my six year old, 65-ish pound GSD, gets 1 cup of the exact same kibble twice a day.
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Recently had visit with my vet and was taught to "Keep"em Lean".
He told me to not be to concerned with calories but to become more visual regarding his weight.....taught to look for a few rib bones... and no sagging underbelly....
Hoss is such a snacker ......loves his Kong filled with Kibble Ice Cubes ........your dog looks GREAT!!!! Keep up the good work !

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