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Fingers crossed for a good appointment! Please update when you can.

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Yesterday's visit went OK: the ECG didn't show anything alarming (but neither did the previous one), Dr. Morris said that the heart rate is slower now (thank you, Sotalol), and Hagan is wearing a Holter monitor again - which he hates! So, the plan is to wait for the results (we'll drop off the monitor on Monday) and repeat the Echo in 6 months; we'll do a chest X-ray as well, after getting the Holter results.

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Sotalol or Sotalol AF

Sotalol or Sotalol AF is a generic of Betapace or Betapace AF. They are different. A Google search will provide plenty of good information on the drug. It is used to treat us humans with various forms of A-Fib and more. I've been taking this med for over 10 years now. The drug, as I understand it does not per se change the heart's rhythm but my analogy is that it acts more like an engine governor thereby limiting the heart's rate when an abnormal arrhythmia occurs. This allows the heart an opportunity to recover. The problem, at least in people is that even though the heart rate is lower it may get stuck in this abnormal rhythm and require some intervention. When I feel this I force myself to cough and 99% of the time that corrects things. A dog will not know this. Prolong abnormal arrhythmia in people can cause stroke. Not sure if this is the same for dogs but it begs the question whether an aspirin / blood thinner rigimine is in order, again like people. Also, is there a way to monitor the dog's rhythm to alert you when there is an abnormal situation, like a smart phone app tethered to a appliance.

Finally, I would contact Kathryn Meurs at the North Carolina State University (https://cvm.ncsu.edu/directory/meurs-kathryn/) Dr Meurs has been heavily involved with the development of DCM genetics testing including DCM2.

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Prolong abnormal arrhythmia in people can cause stroke. Not sure if this is the same for dogs but it begs the question whether an aspirin / blood thinner rigimine is in order, again like people.

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Yes, an ischemic CVA in dogs is always a strong possibility with arrhythmias (especially A-Fib), but anticoagulant therapy would probably be contraindicated for Hagan, since he is affected with von Willebrand disease.

We should be getting results from the second Holter soon, but in the meantime I'm just glad that he doesn't show cardiac enlargement on the Echo (at least, not yet)! Thank you very much for input, Dan.

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We're doing OK, thank you for thinking of us!

We got the second Holter results yesterday, and he's still having short runs of SVTs, so the cardiologist increased the Sotalol dosage. She wants to repeat the Holter in a month, so we have to be patient, I guess (6 more weeks before we know where we stand). Hagan is still playing, eating, and loving as usual - no obvious disease symptoms, nor medication side effects, so far. We're just hoping that the new regime works!
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Well, I have both dogs on monitors as I'm typing this!

Our regular vet detected arrhythmias on our girl a couple of weeks ago, when she was doing her dental prophy pre-op tests (exactly what happened with our boy). Yesterday we took them both to Dr. Morris, Frauke had her baseline echo (which was OK) and got hooked up for her first Holter, and Hagan got his third one (follow up after the increase in Sotalol dosage). We'll be returning them today and then we'll be waiting for a couple of weeks to find out results.

In the meantime, VetGen lost the swabs for the DCM test (they blamed the carrier, even though the tracking says it was delivered), so I'll do it again and send it directly to NCSU.

It means a lot that you thought about us, thank you!!! This is stressful, to say the least, but I appreciate your support!
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Well, I have both dogs on monitors as I'm typing this!

Our regular vet detected arrhythmias on our girl a couple of weeks ago, when she was doing her dental prophy pre-op tests (exactly what happened with our boy). Yesterday we took them both to Dr. Morris, Frauke had her baseline echo (which was OK) and got hooked up for her first Holter, and Hagan got his third one (follow up after the increase in Sotalol dosage). We'll be returning them today and then we'll be waiting for a couple of weeks to find out results.

In the meantime, VetGen lost the swabs for the DCM test (they blamed the carrier, even though the tracking says it was delivered), so I'll do it again and send it directly to NCSU.

It means a lot that you thought about us, thank you!!! This is stressful, to say the least, but I appreciate your support!
Oh boy it's raining and pouring at your house isn't it. Your babes are lucky to have such a caring, responsible and loving mama.

Sending good vibes, juju and hugs your way. I'm off on Sunday for a week long vacation but will check in with you when I'm back.

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Thank you, Coco!!!

Hagan is finally stable on his current Sotalol dosage (100 mg), some arrhythmias are still present, but "reasonable" on his 3rd Holter. Frauke's first Holter showed some irregularities too, but Dr. Morris didn't feel the need to put her on meds at this time, since they weren't too worrisome.

They were both finally able to have their dental prophys last week, and did great (no cardiac issues during anesthesia, per our regular vet), their chest and belly rads were all OK too! Hagan had an epulis excised also, we're hoping it doesn't grown back, which they sometimes do.

On the down side, Hagan tested positive for both DCM 1&2 (at NCSU), and Frauke was positive for DCM2. It is what it is, at this point I can think a little better, and I'm just glad that it's not too late - we'll just have to be prepared for whatever comes at us later.

They'll both be having echos again in 2-3 months, to check for any heart enlargement, in the meantime everybody is their usual crazy self - they play, eat, and love like nothing is going on. And we, of course, spend as much time as we can with them - spoiling them rotten, to which they don't complain, the brats!

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Hi, suzu! I hope that your Drago continues to be well also, you're obviously taking very good care of him, all we can do is be on top of their meds and tests. Giving them tons of love helps too! Good vibes heading your way...
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Hey are you controlling your guys running around outside? I feel I can't stop it because Drago is so young and loves to run after squirrels, etc and feel he would be miserable if I did..... But I am scared to death of him doing it...........
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Hey are you controlling your guys running around outside? I feel I can't stop it because Drago is so young and loves to run after squirrels, etc and feel he would be miserable if I did..... But I am scared to death of him doing it...........
Not at all, but we do limit the time they spend running like maniacs; we take them out to play several times a day, in their large fenced yard (they play rough and hard), one of us stays with them outside and/or plays with them too (we're retired, so they're always with us). We don't let them get extremely tired, we bring them inside before they get to that point.

We figured that sudden death can happen anytime, not just when they're active, and we're not going to stop them from having fun (and exercise). Do I worry? Absolutely! But I can't allow my fears (which are many) to take over; when their time comes I know that we'll be unconsolable, but for now we're trying our best to prepare for it, and we're trying to give them a very good life.

I was very upset when this all developed, but I'm calmer now, it helps that my DH is not as emotional as I am. He loves them too, but I'm the one who worries the most. It's not easy, but we have to try our best!
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Not at all, but we do limit the time they spend running like maniacs; we take them out to play several times a day, in their large fenced yard (they play rough and hard), one of us stays with them outside and/or plays with them too (we're retired, so they're always with us). We don't let them get extremely tired, we bring them inside before they get to that point.

We figured that sudden death can happen anytime, not just when they're active, and we're not going to stop them from having fun (and exercise). Do I worry? Absolutely! But I can't allow my fears (which are many) to take over; when their time comes I know that we'll be unconsolable, but for now we're trying our best to prepare for it, and we're trying to give them a very good life.

I was very upset when this all developed, but I'm calmer now, it helps that my DH is not as emotional as I am. He loves them too, but I'm the one who worries the most. It's not easy, but we have to try our best!


Wow I felt like I was writing that!! I feel the same way and just praying for the best! We have a lot of years with our guys running around enjoying life!!
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It also sounds like exactly what I opted to do with one of my Dobes--his cardiologist and I had been following the progression of his DCM/arrhythmias for some time--(at least 3 years) and we had discussed the issue of activity. This was a very active dog--still running agility when we knew that he was clearly a candidate for sudden death but because I knew and his cardiologist agreed that it was just as likely that he'd die in his sleep or running squirrels in his yard as running agility which he loved that he could go on doing what he wanted to do.

He was just a couple of month shy of 10 when my friend picked him up early in the morning to go to an local agility trial. I had an appointment that morning so didn't go with them but was home doing something in the kitchen when they came back. My dog bounced in full of wags and grins and went out to get a drink of water. When he came back in he joined me in the kitchen to see if I'd give him whatever I was cutting up.

Two minutes later I realized he wasn't bugging me--that was unusual--I turned around to see what he was doing. He was sitting--this was not a patient dog and I caught the look in his eye and put my hand on his ribs--my friend and I put him my truck and she ran back inside to call the clinic where I work to tell them we were on our way. I made it but my dog did not--I'm 15 to 20 minutes from the clinic depending on traffic. I kept checking him in the mirror--about half way to the clinic he went down.

It was devastating--half of the clinic staff was in the back parking lot at the clinic when I got there--I said to one of the vets--"He's gone..." She already had her stethoscope on him and agreed.

But you know--I'd wish that kind of a departure for any of my pets--that dog died as he'd lived--he didn't just run down and get old and he was never in pain--he had nearly 10 years of exuberant good health and a bad 15 minutes and was gone.

There's rarely a day that I don't think of him and now, mostly, what I think about is how he got to do the thing he loved best on his last day--he went to an agility trial, had a great time and quickly left me to go where the good dogs go...
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Hello, I just joined this post and started a thread about collapse from ventricular fibrillation followed by recovery. My dog Apache was seen by Dr Morris and was on sotalol, mexiletine, pimobenden (vetmedin) and enalapril. She was on the mexiletine and sotalol until April 15 of 2017 when she had the collapse. I thought she died but then woke up. Dr Morris spent the next several months working with me - texting me several times a day, adjusting meds, I reported back to her signs I would see, she checked Apache almost every week or 2 until the arrhythmias calmed down and became controlled. After that episode, enalapril and pimobenden were added along with spironolactone and furosemide. I have had to go to online places like GoodRx, Discount Drug, Pet Rx, and get coupons to help with the cost of these meds. Another thing you can do is to directly ask the pharamacist if he has any discounts he could apply as sometimes they do (but you have to ask). And to make matters worse, no one will give you the cost of the drug until they get the prescription so sometimes you have to ask the vet to send it to another place to get the bet price. Dr Morris's office was aware of this and worked with me on this. You can go to these websites and enter the drug name, quantity, and dosage, your zip code, and it will give you all the places where you can get it and the price at each place. The last time I got sotalol was Stop and Shop pharmacy in Greenfield Ma for $23 in Feb of 2018 - 80mg tablets qty = 80 and it was with a coupon from Pet Discount Drug card at the following website: https://www.discountdrugnetwork.com/...unt-drug-card/. I just checked the website now and for 90 tablets it is $24.53 at Stop and Shop. You have to be aware that once you bring the coupon to the pharmacist, the price may differ but it is not supposed to be that far off. However the way these discounts work is it is a % off the drug from the manufacturer the pharmacy has gotten the drug from so if the manufacturer changes, the price changes. One trick is once you find a pharmacy and a price that works for you, make sure you get the vet to give you refills and the price will always be the same for that prescription for all refills - I've had to question this and ask why it changed and they honored the previous price but once a new prescription is called in, you have to bring in a new coupon and start over.
As far as side affects, Apache had none that I noticed. Everyone is different. I kept a diary and a spreadsheet so I could track any changes I saw once a new med was started. You'd be amazed at how you can attribute something to the time when she started taking X.
By the end of Apache's life, she was on over 12 meds and I was able to tell my vets that within so many hours she developed such and such. She even tried a new drug to help with appetite (Entyce) - and within a day of taking this drug her right paw swelled up. Then we stopped the drug and within 2 days her paw swelling went down. This happened 3 more times as even the drug manufacturer had not known it would cause this issue but this symptom was mentioned on the study they did when they were conducting their trial. And I have pictures.
Yes, I had no life for the last year but I'd do it all over again if it meant it was helping my girl.
I hope this helps you and good luck with everything. Tell Dr Morris I said thank you for taking such good care of Apache for me.
I miss her so much.
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Hello, I just joined this post and started a thread about collapse from ventricular fibrillation followed by recovery. My dog Apache was seen by Dr Morris and was on sotalol, mexiletine, pimobenden (vetmedin) and enalapril. She was on the mexiletine and sotalol until April 15 of 2017 when she had the collapse. I thought she died but then woke up. Dr Morris spent the next several months working with me - texting me several times a day, adjusting meds, I reported back to her signs I would see, she checked Apache almost every week or 2 until the arrhythmias calmed down and became controlled. After that episode, enalapril and pimobenden were added along with spironolactone and furosemide. I have had to go to online places like GoodRx, Discount Drug, Pet Rx, and get coupons to help with the cost of these meds. Another thing you can do is to directly ask the pharamacist if he has any discounts he could apply as sometimes they do (but you have to ask). And to make matters worse, no one will give you the cost of the drug until they get the prescription so sometimes you have to ask the vet to send it to another place to get the bet price. Dr Morris's office was aware of this and worked with me on this. You can go to these websites and enter the drug name, quantity, and dosage, your zip code, and it will give you all the places where you can get it and the price at each place. The last time I got sotalol was Stop and Shop pharmacy in Greenfield Ma for $23 in Feb of 2018 - 80mg tablets qty = 80 and it was with a coupon from Pet Discount Drug card at the following website: https://www.discountdrugnetwork.com/...unt-drug-card/. I just checked the website now and for 90 tablets it is $24.53 at Stop and Shop. You have to be aware that once you bring the coupon to the pharmacist, the price may differ but it is not supposed to be that far off. However the way these discounts work is it is a % off the drug from the manufacturer the pharmacy has gotten the drug from so if the manufacturer changes, the price changes. One trick is once you find a pharmacy and a price that works for you, make sure you get the vet to give you refills and the price will always be the same for that prescription for all refills - I've had to question this and ask why it changed and they honored the previous price but once a new prescription is called in, you have to bring in a new coupon and start over.
As far as side affects, Apache had none that I noticed. Everyone is different. I kept a diary and a spreadsheet so I could track any changes I saw once a new med was started. You'd be amazed at how you can attribute something to the time when she started taking X.
By the end of Apache's life, she was on over 12 meds and I was able to tell my vets that within so many hours she developed such and such. She even tried a new drug to help with appetite (Entyce) - and within a day of taking this drug her right paw swelled up. Then we stopped the drug and within 2 days her paw swelling went down. This happened 3 more times as even the drug manufacturer had not known it would cause this issue but this symptom was mentioned on the study they did when they were conducting their trial. And I have pictures.
Yes, I had no life for the last year but I'd do it all over again if it meant it was helping my girl.
I hope this helps you and good luck with everything. Tell Dr Morris I said thank you for taking such good care of Apache for me.
I miss her so much.

Thank you so much for this. It truly helps and my heart goes out to you. It is horrible we have to deal with this. Dobe's are such amazing companions and theres bond that only we know!!!!

How old was Apache when first diagnosed? I only hope Drago can live to 12!!
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HI, Apache was 9yrs 4months when she was first diagnosed with "dropping pulses" and heart arrhythmia. Before that all the vets she saw were very pleased with her breathing, pulse, and heartrate. So we were referred to Dr Morris at that time and she was not given the diagnosis of DCM - just arrhythmias or irregular heart beat patterns. By the time she had her collapse she was getting over 7000VPCs and multiple runs of couplets and even triplets on her 24hour holter study. But the heart structure was still good.

I hope your Drago lives a long and happy life. They do not seem to know they have a heart problem. I hope everybody's baby lives a long and happy life. It is so hard when they leave.

I have never found another breed of dog that honestly tries to communicate with you (as much as a canine can communicate with a human anyways).
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