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Wobblers disease

I don't think there is a test that can test for this. Snoop does shake his legs sometimes especially of he's excited. dr said it prob wobblers but no biggie. He has NEVER shown any kind of physical hardship and is perfectly healthy at 5. Can this disease get worse?
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Yes.
Signs can vary depending on the degree of compression on the spinal cord.

I wouldn't really consider Wobbler's "no biggie". I would consider getting a second opinion and getting some xrays of the cervical spine (neck) to start.

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Signs can vary depending on the degree of compression on the spinal cord.

I wouldn't really consider Wobbler's "no biggie". I would consider getting a second opinion and getting some xrays of the cervical spine (neck) to start.
Thankyou, that was helpful. When i asked my dr he was in a hallway in a hurry he said "maybe its wobblers, buts its common with dobermans and greyhounds"....He made it sound like it was nothing, and since snoop is 5 and shows zero physical problems, I kind of thought it wasn't a big deal. I will pursue it though.
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Wobblers is a progressive disease. My Shelby first started collapsing in the rear and as her Wobblers progressed, it started to affect her front legs. It surfaced late in life and she lived to be 14. Her X-rays clearly showed displacement and fusion, but a Myelogram is much more specific. I never considered surgery as an option given her age at diagnosis (10-ish), but did investigate Gold Bead implants.

Lots of things will help with managing the disease. Things like weight management, harness use, blood draw from leg instead of neck, elevated feeding, no shaking or tug-o-war with toys, non-slip floors, monitored exercise and limiting jumping. I was fortunate in that area as Shelby chose to stop that as well as climbing stairs on her own.

I treated her for 4 years with Prednisone -- high doses when she had off days, otherwise she was on 5 mgs every third day. Ultimately she got the 5 mgs every other day, but that was in the last 6 months of her life.

I would also recommend reducing protein intake -- get it to a daily intake of approximately 22-24% protein in your pup's diet and discontinue any mineral supplements. Too much protein, calcium and phosphorous can potentially cause skeletal changes that could result in further damage and enhanced progression of the condition.

I would also elevate water. We often remember to elevate food, but even water should be elevated to avoid neck stress. Elevate to a height where Snoop won't have to bend the neck downward.

I had some really awesome years with Shelby post diagnosis. During that time we had 3 occasions where she was essentially paralyzed. Increasing the dosage of Prednisone got her through 2 of them.

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Wobblers can also cause tingling in the feet and legs. Dogs will often lick their feet incessantly and can cause lick granulomas or open sores.
They can have an inablility to raise their head up to look alertly at something without pain.
I would call it a very big deal.

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he has done the shivering thing since he was a baby. It wasnt something that just started having. He shows no signs of pain or anything. can it be something else? can it be a small deal, nothing big, not wobblers? snoop is in great physical health
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What kind of shivering? When? Just his legs? Tell more.

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he has done the shivering thing since he was a baby. It wasnt something that just started having. He shows no signs of pain or anything. can it be something else? can it be a small deal, nothing big, not wobblers? snoop is in great physical health
Yes, tell us more about the "shivering." Early on, Shelby showed no sign of pain -- just poor gait and coordination issues in the rear. And she too was in great health -- heck, she lived to be 14!

I would get another opinion. Better to be safe than making assumptions. Wobblers IS a big deal and it's best to know what you are dealing with, if at all possible.

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Ya I will defintely seek more opinion. His back legs would just shake. Like they're shivering cold. He isnt cold, he just shakes. More when he has energy and is excited but will sit on the couch and do it sometimes. He's just so darn healthy minus a little skin irritation on his belly. I think he might have had a cold once, thats about all I can think of. Is there a test for wobblers? Can some cases be minor vs major? Thankyou guy SO MUCH this is helping!
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Ya I will defintely seek more opinion. His back legs would just shake. Like they're shivering cold. He isnt cold, he just shakes. More when he has energy and is excited but will sit on the couch and do it sometimes. He's just so darn healthy minus a little skin irritation on his belly. I think he might have had a cold once, thats about all I can think of. Is there a test for wobblers? Can some cases be minor vs major? Thankyou guy SO MUCH this is helping!
Sounds like you have a very excited boy and the shivering is normal. Shelby's leg muscles would quiver when she was weak, a sign of Wobblers. But it's really an issue of "messages" not getting through from the brain via the spine.

There is a test called a myelogram. A myleogram is essentially a spinal tap, with the standard risks that can include meningitis (infection of the spinal fluid), and allergic reaction to the dye. There is also a very small chance that the needle will cause bleeding around the spinal sac.

All cases start out minor and over time progress to major. Key is management of the disease -- if that is what your kiddo has. Get another Veterinary Opinion!

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Dillon had just been diagnosed with wobblers ( well the vet is 99% sure)

What happened to DobeMomToo's Shelby sounds just like what happened to Dillon over the last 5 weeks.. thanks for this thread it's helped me greatly!!!


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Dillon had just been diagnosed with wobblers ( well the vet is 99% sure)

What happened to DobeMomToo's Shelby sounds just like what happened to Dillon over the last 5 weeks.. thanks for this thread it's helped me greatly!!!
If I can help you in any way, let me know. There are surgical approaches, as well as gold bead implants, that can help. However, I was very skeptical about anything orthopedic related for Shelby given her age and what we saw occur with Cobra's TPLO ordeal. Orthopedic still makes me shiver -- even now.

Wobbler's is an ugly disease and no two Dobermans are the same. Again, if I can help in any way, do not hesitate to ask! Kiss Dillon for me!

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Wobblers is definitelly a "BIGGIE". It is not something to fool around with as others have told you above. We lost our last girl to it after two operations. It was not easy to watch her become totally helpless. Please seek competent help immediately. Good Luck.

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I don't think there is a test that can test for this. Snoop does shake his legs sometimes especially of he's excited. dr said it prob wobblers but no biggie. He has NEVER shown any kind of physical hardship and is perfectly healthy at 5. Can this disease get worse?
It's a horrible disease that can be controlled if caught early. Unfortunately for my Monaghan that wasn't the case. He suffered horribly until I had to put him to sleep. There are so many things that can be done. Google it, there is a vet in the midwest who implants these gold beads in the dogs neck and he has had great success. For some reason, most vets aren't too knowledgable about wobbler's (that's why Monaghan wasn't diagnosed until it was too late). Be aware, it is a BIGGIE! I'd rate it up there with cancer or any other terminal disease. Follow up on it. There is a neurological test they can give your dog to determine if he has it.

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