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Hip Dysplasia

Has anyone on this forum ever owned a Doberman that was diagnosed with Hip Dysplasia?
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I've had a rescue that was just passing through who was diagnosed with hip dysplasia.

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And i believe that was the one that was related to mine who has low grade HD
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I've had an english mastiff with hip dysplasia, not a doberman...though i'm sure they would have the same symptoms.
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No - what are the signs of it though? Is their a way to detect hip dyslpasia early on? For example, Louie walks sort of bo legged sometimes. And when he sits, he kind of switches leg to leg until he is down into a sit position. Anyone know?

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I've had an english mastiff with hip dysplasia, not a doberman...though i'm sure they would have the same symptoms.
It really depends on the severity of the problem..some dogs display no symptoms at all until later in life.

I have a good friend who has a beautiful newfoundland puppy bitch. She sent in preliminary hip xrays to OFA, which were graded as dysplastic. The bitch has really outstanding movement-there's nothing about her outward appearance at any time that would suggest she was dysplastic.




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No - what are the signs of it though? Is their a way to detect hip dyslpasia early on? For example, Louie walks sort of bo legged sometimes. And when he sits, he kind of switches leg to leg until he is down into a sit position. Anyone know?
Its been a few years since I dealt with this, but I remember early on Coco would have a hard time getting up sometimes. He'd be on the ground crying to get up but he couldn't. Once we helped him get up he was fine, but we didn't catch the signs of this problem until much later on when we had to take him to the ER. The bowleggedness sounds familiar but he was big, so that could be just the way he ran. Also he limped alot but he also had deterioriating knee caps. I was apart of a mastiff forum at the time, and the good folks over there suggested we give him glucosamine w/ condroitin (sp?) and msm (I think thats what it is) that you can find at Costco or Sam's Club in a big bottle for humans. That really seemed to help him but his got so bad he was basically paralyzed. Poor thing couldnt move anymore. Eventually the vet suggested we put him to rest because the problem was never going to get fixed, and unfortunately a multi-thousand dollar surgery wasn't possible. Even if it was his vet said there was no guarantee he'd be the same. So...we let him go hardest day and decision of my life.

But i'm wiser now because of it, and i've learned alot from that experience and now I can help prevent Rocky from going through what my other baby suffered through.
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I fostered a puppy for rescue for 3 months several years ago that ended up being diagnosed with HD. She walked with a pretty pronounced sway to her back end..... but I didn't know enough then to recognize that it was not normal. She was also a Clinically affected bleeder so doing any surgery was not in the cards for her.

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Mine doesnt really have any kind of painful symptoms, no trouble getting up from the floor no trouble with stairs.
She had a funny gait, almost like she turned in on her knee.
Also after walking for 2-3hrs she would drag one of her hind legs a bit(not anything most people would notice-it wasnt VERY obvious).
Probably not REALLY noticeable to alot of people, but when you are around your dog alot you notice those things.

Saph has low grade hip displaysia that would not warrant surgery but the vet suggested 500mg of glucosamine, if you had any concerns you should speak with your vet, even though he's still young they could manipulate his hips a bit and see if he notices anything, or maybe even an xray.

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When I bought both my dobes from Blue Haze, Lisa included in her contract, that they were tested. So we can go in two directions with this:

1. they do get it.
2. based on her reputation, she was just making her contract look good and they don't.

The best way to find out is to google it, I guess.

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Here's a good site:
OFA: Hip Dysplasia Statistics

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When I bought both my dobes from Blue Haze, Lisa included in her contract, that they were tested. So we can go in two directions with this:

1. they do get it.
2. based on her reputation, she was just making her contract look good and they don't.

The best way to find out is to google it, I guess.

Im sorry this totally confused me?? Yes dobes get it, just because parents dont have it doesnt necessarily mean the offspring wont have it.
If the parents arent tested, how is googling going to help??
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Like murreydobe said, some dogs are asymptomatic until later in life. Anytime you have joint that is not normal, you will get secondary arthritis changes much faster.

OFA will prelim hip films as early as 4mos. Early hip films are very predicative of adult status. In other words, if a dog is dysplastic at 6mos it's not gonna magically get better when it's 2 yrs old.
OFA: Hip Dysplasia

I have seen severely lame dysplastic dogs who are 6-12 mos old.

For dogs that will not be bred, but will be competing or participating in sports, I would highly recommend hip/elbow films to rule out underlying dysplasia.

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Im sorry this totally confused me?? Yes dobes get it, just because parents dont have it doesnt necessarily mean the offspring wont have it.
If the parents arent tested, how is googling going to help??
I think they were suggesting googling to see if HD was a disease identified in this particular breed.



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Here's a good site:
OFA: Hip Dysplasia Statistics
One thing to keep in mind is that incidence of HD (for any breed) is probably higher than OFA statistics -- meaning they can only base it on the films they receive. There are plenty of dogs from less than reputable breeders who never get xrayed (and likely have a higher incidence of HD in their lines since they don't screen for it) AND there are plenty of dogs who are obviously dysplastic on the xray, so it doesn't get sent into OFA.
Neither of these things is the fault of OFA, they are simply a database..

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One thing to keep in mind is that incidence of HD (for any breed) is probably higher than OFA statistics -- meaning they can only base it on the films they receive. There are plenty of dogs from less than reputable breeders who never get xrayed (and likely have a higher incidence of HD in their lines since they don't screen for it) AND there are plenty of dogs who are obviously dysplastic on the xray, so it doesn't get sent into OFA.
Neither of these things is the fault of OFA, they are simply a database..
I think OFA suggests looking at the incidence rate they publish for any particular breed and doubling it, and that would probably give you a pretty good idea of the actual rate of occurence within that breed.



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Im sorry this totally confused me?? Yes dobes get it, just because parents dont have it doesnt necessarily mean the offspring wont have it.
If the parents arent tested, how is googling going to help??
I didn't mean to confuse you, but Blue Haze was a terrible breeder and I take whatever she said (after the fact of course) or was in her contracts with a grain of salt. I guess I misunderstood the original question, I thought DLS was asking if Dobes get it. That's why I said google it.

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I didn't mean to confuse you, but Blue Haze was a terrible breeder and I take whatever she said (after the fact of course) or was in her contracts with a grain of salt. I guess I misunderstood the original question, I thought DLS was asking if Dobes get it. That's why I said google it.
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There were a couple of byb Dobes that I Holtered, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them was dysplastic. The whole rear conformation and movement was pretty bad. But, as others are saying, it isn't always noticeable visually.

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I have seen severely lame dysplastic dogs who are 6-12 mos old.
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Yup, Murphy came up lame at 9 months old. My friend's Berner, who was also severely dysplastic (hips and elbows) had beautiful movement...go figure.

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My girl didn't pass her hip testing at two, but they said only one hip was questionable. Can HD happen on only one side? The vet said it was possible she had been stepped on (out of a litter of 13!) She died at ten, and never took a lame step or showed any symptoms of hip problems in her life.
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Can HD happen on only one side? .
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Elbow dysplasia can also be unilateral (one side only).

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I know of a nice dog, a nice square clean moving AKC Champion who sent in his films at 2 and came back as moderate dysplasia, they re-sent them w/ the same results


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