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I wonder how much it would cost....

To pave our entire yard?

Soter usually operates at 100 miles per hour 24/7 but for the past two weeks or so he was running slightly less. Maybe 98 miles per hour. There were other little things too, he was a bit whiny, a bit more clingy and he seemed to have a lot of problems running his tracks.

He would literally bounce off the walls and scream with joy and excitement when I got out his tracking gear, he would yank us off our feet to get to the truck, whine the whole way there and then bound out of the truck like his butt was on fire. He would pull me all the way to the start of his track and then he would take off like a bullet from a gun to start. Then after about a third of the way through, he would start slowing down, seem to have trouble finding the track, he would shake a lot (like they do when they're wet, not trembling shaking), he would just lay down mid track for no apparent reason and he was sneezing.

Of course we took him to the vet but without any actual symptoms, just our gut feeling that something wasn't right, they didn't have a lot to go on. We had them run a full blood panel which came back normal and they checked his heart just to be sure and everything looked really good. We were all a bit puzzled because we just couldnít find anything wrong with him. The one vet actually told me that if it was anyone but us they would think we were overreacting but they know us and trust that if we say something is wrong, it probably is.

Everything came to a head on the weekend. We woke up around 4:00 am to Soter scratching and biting at himself like he was on fire or something. We got up and looked him over and he was covered in hives and his whole belly, groin and thighs were covered in an awful rash. So back to the vet we went.

Yet another allergy panel later and he is allergic to grass. GRASS! What the hell am I supposed to do with that?!?!?! They gave him a steroid shot to calm the itching and heís on medication for the rash and hives. We have a bit of a plan but quite frankly, it just sucks. Weíll have to keep the grass as short as possible and wipe him down when heís done playing and limit his yard time in the summer.

I donít know what to do about tracking though. We track in the grass. I donít really want to constantly medicate him just so we can participate in a sport but weíve worked so hard and when heís not having allergy attacks, he really seems to enjoy it. I have to admit that Iím really disappointed too, I was having visions of a tracking title in our future but itís certainly not worth his health. I donít know, maybe weíll look into nose work or something. Right now though, we just have to get him feeling better again. My poor guy just canít catch a break.

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Rash:


It's hard to see but if you look close you can see the small hive bumps on the top and side of his head. They're also all down the back of his neck:


The fur around his eyes is falling out:


These are exactly the same symptoms that he had with the food allergies. The only difference is that this time he's not having stomach issues. All of this happened literally over night. The vets went over him with a fine tooth come on Saturday, none of this was present but when we woke up Sunday morning, he was like this. We had gone tracking Saturday night.
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Poor guy

I know protective gear is allowed for some dogs. I wonder if he'd fall into that category?
Maybe a long shirt tied up on him and a wipe with vinegar and water as soon as he was done? Might help.


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Baron is also allergic to all grasses. We had the allergy skin test done also. He also is allergic to a variety of trees and a variety of other things. We live in the country on 4 1/2 acres so paving is not an option (LOL)! This is the reaction around his eyes that he gets when he has a breakout:

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Lucky for him it only affects around his eyes. No where else on his body. We have it under control now and he hasn't had a breakout in over a year. He gets an allergy shot every 21 days, down to 1 Zyrtec in the evening, and eye drops in the morning. I have been running an air purifier in the bedroom for about a year now so don't know if that has helped or not. I also wipe his eyes with fragrant free baby wipes in the morning.

Hope you can get Soter's under control. It is awful to see them so uncomfortable.
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What a bummer!

Did you talk about allergy shots with the vet? They might help a little--but in my experience, they kinda keep the allergy tolerable but don't really make it disappear. And unfortunately, they are rather expensive and have to be given the rest of the dog's life--it's not like people where you go through a course of allergy shots and the problem is mostly fixed so you can stop taking them--dogs don't build up a permanent immunity so the dose has to keep being given once a month or so.

And of course there are all kinds of antihistamines, which are meds of course, but not like the much more severe steroids--different ones work better with different dogs, so you might ask your vet which ones you could try, in what doses and combinations.

Neither of these will fix your dog's problem, but may make him more comfortable.
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Daggone.

I will go find those Voodoo dolls and put them in bubble wrap for you.

Yeah, my George is also allergic to grass.

I manage it by allowing him to potty in a pea gravel area when he's flared up, keep him only in short grass when he has to be in grass, and he takes five, yep, five Zyrtec daily.

But, on the five Zyrtec, he does not really have to do the steroids any more. Maybe once a year or less, now.

As was said above, some other antihistamine or some other dose may be what Soter needs, but I hope you can find the right combo. Allergies suck.




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The way you wrote...like I could see you "Sooter, grass, really?", not a laughing matter but I couldn't help myself (for a short while though).

Keon has lots of allergies since spring, vet said he might grow out of them as he isn't one year old yet, I sure hope so.

He also gets the eyes looking bad, so I use saline water to wash his eyes. Every time we come in whipe him down with vinegar solution (now use normal vinegar rather than apple cider as recommended by LindaH).

I actually was managing it until last week to keep it all under control, and the weather had coolled down, and then sunday was extremely hot and dry again and in the evening he showed signs of being bothered, so the vet said this time he had to go on meds and gave him antihistamine (antarax) the same my poodle takes sometimes. But still trying to avoid antibiotics.

But it is horrible, we don't have as much fun as we should, can't roll around as he loves, can't lay in the grass and when we go to the field he has to lay in a carpet and he hates it. Besides the aggravation...I have to fully whipe down my poodle, he has long fur which carries the polen, but can't bath him often because for some reason he always gets poorly for a couple of days even though he enjoys the bath time.

I'm allergic too, to certain grasses, trees and even some flowers/plants, but this dog takes the biscuit.
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Oh good grief! You need a break.

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Zyrtec and allergy shots are some of the options we are going to talk to the vets about. We trust them completely but I'm just so worried about giving him any meds long term.

Everyone says that the meds shouldn't, probably won't and most likely don't have any correlation to seizure activity but does anyone really know? There don't seem to be any studies done, just shouldn't, probably and most likely.

We've gone to such lengths already, eliminating as many chemicals as possible, eliminating as many of his other allergins as possible, stopping vaccinations. It almost seems counter productive to medicate him now beyond what is required to stop this flare up.

We have to give this some serious thought. He's never flared up this bad before, the only thing that's really changed is the amount of grass he has contact with. We track four to five times a week and it has to be through grass.

Ideally I would like for him to finish his meds and then have at least two weeks of just normal activity and see what happens. If he's fine then I would like to have him track for another two weeks. If he flares up again, I would have my answer, if not then we could enroll in level three with a clear conscious.

Unfortunatly, the next session starts August 1st, as does the level one nose work class if we decide to switch. So time is not on our side. I'm going to email the instructor and see how often the classes run.

All we want is for him to be happy and healthy. Thankfully, the worst of the symptoms seem to be calming down. He's stopped the frantic scratching and chewing and the rash looks much better now.

You're right Dobe_Mom, I need a break
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I think you're going the right way about it, finishing meds and see if it doesn't come back, who knows, maybe was just a one off? I sure hope so, poor Sooter, he needs a break too.
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Have you thought about trying colostrum? I've heard a lot of good things about using it for treating allergies.


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Allergies suck but at least you know the source of them. You can't eliminate all grasses everywhere but you could create an area with some other sort of ground cover for the dog to get a break from the grass. There are hardy types of ajuga, thyme and other plants that naturalize like crazy and don't require any cutting like grass. Even eliminating the grass in one area they frequent by 50% should help a lot. Wood chip paths are an easy fix too. Lots of tree cutting companies will deliver a load of their chips for free too.

Protective gear and being extra cautious on the days of mowing and immediately after should also help. Instead of the yard on mowing day, make that the bike ride day where they run alongside you. Great exercise and bonding without the grass attack.

I dislike using meds too but when needed, they're needed. Definitely see how he does without them but don't beat yourself up if he needs them.
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I think you're going the right way about it, finishing meds and see if it doesn't come back, who knows, maybe was just a one off? I sure hope so, poor Sooter, he needs a break too.
You're so right Maria1, my poor little guy needs a break. I can say in complete honesty that if I could take all of this onto myself and spare him, I would in a heartbeat.

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Allergies suck but at least you know the source of them. You can't eliminate all grasses everywhere but you could create an area with some other sort of ground cover for the dog to get a break from the grass. There are hardy types of ajuga, thyme and other plants that naturalize like crazy and don't require any cutting like grass. Even eliminating the grass in one area they frequent by 50% should help a lot. Wood chip paths are an easy fix too. Lots of tree cutting companies will deliver a load of their chips for
Well, my husband built a gravel potty run for them last year because the yard was just a muddy mess from them going to the bathroom on it all the time. We thought that just letting them play in the yard and not pee in it would allow the grass to grow back. Ironically, it worked and now we have a beautiful, lush lawn But yes, he does have space without grass. We also have a 60 foot deck they can play on.

That's a really good idea to keep him off the grass on lawn cutting day, I actually hadn't thought of that. I don't bike ride but I'll definitely get off my lazy butt and make it jogging day
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Buddy is also allergic to something every year for the last 5 years in June he gets bald on one side but not the other side ??? Have had him at the vets nothing works. This year starting in April I gave him local Honey and virgin coconut oil nope did not work. hope you can come up with something for your Soter boy Good Luck.
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