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Red bumps all over Nero

Wednesday evening we noticed a small patch of red bumps on Nero's shoulder. Put some Neosporin and cortisone cream on.

Thursday night we saw it was under his collar as well - did the same treatment and also used some homeopathic treatment as well (apple cider vinegar, neem oil mix).

Friday I gave him a flea & tick bath then a soothing skin conditioning shampoo.

Up until last night these bumps hadn't bothered him - no scratching, licking etc. That changed overnight so it was off to the vets today. He did a scraping and couldn't see anything conclusive (I guess that's good) and prescribed steroids & antibiotics.

I'm going to upload pix I took last night. This is really distressing.
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Steroid why suppress the immune system?
I'd suspect a staph infection
If you're doing antibiotics to help protect the GI tract I'd add a good probiotic to the diet.

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Good point about the probiotic! We'll add yogurt to his diet - he loves the stuff. Now the effect of the steroids on the immune system - can you tell me more?
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Steroids suppress the immune system. That allows other opportunistic buggies to thrive.
I'm not sure why vets insist on steroids and antibiotics.


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I'm sure your vet explained to you the importance of following the "weaning procedure" for steroids. Very important you follow it.
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Good point about the probiotic! We'll add yogurt to his diet - he loves the stuff. Now the effect of the steroids on the immune system - can you tell me more?
Steroids reduce inflammation and suppresses the immune system. The antibiotics are given to fight the infection.

http://www.google.com/search?q=how+s...ih=508&dpr=1.5

The problem is if the condition isn't corrected by the time the steroids wear off and you're done with the antibiotics, the bacteria can now have a field day because the immune system remains suppressed for quiet a while. That's called a rebound effect.

I've done really well just using half white vinegar and half water mix to spray on spots like that with Parker instead of going the steroid antibiotic route all vets use.

Your mistake was probably giving the flea and tick bath and conditioner with already compromised skin.

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Saul gets those same angry looking bumps if he eats chicken/egg or anything with grains

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If he didn't find anything conclusive, what would he be prescribing for? Asking, not judging. Is there definitely an infection? If so, I'd do antibiotics. Could be an allergic reaction, then I'd do steroids. It gets tricky. Did the vet give a diagnosis?

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Actually he has Nero on one a day steroids for almost three weeks and a week of antibiotics 3x daily. No diagnosis - I think he's just going on his gut feeling. The guy has been a vet for at least the past 25 years which puts me in a quandary. On the one hand I trust his experience but, after reading the replies here and knowing the typical way steroids are dosed, I'm questioning his methods.

Also, yeah, looking back, flea and tick was not a good idea but the oatmeal & vitamin E shampoo seemed to give him relief. I'm going to use the vinegar/water on him a little at a time to see how he responds.
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I may be wrong, but I think that neem oil shouldn't be used in open wounds.

Also bare in mind that vinegar may sting if the skin is is open.
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I'm not advising you to go against what your vet has prescribed, especially after you have started steroids and antibiotics.

It won't hurt to also do the white vinegar/water as it works really well for bacteria and/or yeast problems, but do bear in mind it will sting on raw areas as Maria said. I use it anyway if the area is not large as the benefit outweighs not doing it. However, this is with my dog, who I know very well, but I wouldn't apply to a large area anymore than I would want that done to me. The mix must be applied so that it reaches the skin and allowed to dry there. You can't towel dry after applying, tho you could carefully blow-dry. I just let it drip dry and don't worry about it.

I use the vinegar/water as soon as I see a problem developing and it has cured about everything he has come up with.

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A week of antibiotics, steroids and vinegar & water did the trick! Nero is looking so much better, bumps are almost entirely gone and the few that remain are receding nicely.

We cut down on the steroids on day three and the same with the antibiotics. I really think the vinegar & water did most of the healing. Still have no idea what caused it though -- best guess is an insect bite / sting or a weird reaction to a minor nip at the dog park. There's an outside chance it was something like poison ivy but none of the other dog owners I've talked to have had their dogs get it.

Either way, thanks for all the suggestions & support.
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I'm glad he's so much better. Be sure to keep an eye out for new outbreaks. If it's allergies, he will probably have another outbreak. Then you will have some research to do.

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and we added acidolphilus, vitamin E and tumeric to reduce inflammation, per a holistic journal recommendations. Thank you all for your suggestions.
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