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Chronic Liver Disease / Hepatitus

Tia has been unwell for the past week so we took her to the vets this morning only to find out she has Chronic Liver Disease/Hepatitis. We are all extremly upset about this she's only 2.

If anyone has any information could you please be kind enough to share it with us?

She had the symptoms of severe weightloss, yellow urine, yellow eyes, fur loss, extreme thirst etc.

She gets to come home tomorrow then shes got a liver biopsy on monday in Derby (UK).

I can't wait to see my poor baby. I do hope she'll be ok???
Please send any love you have her way
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So sorry to hear about your Tia. My Chessie was diag with Chronic Active Hepatitis March 2007 at the age of 9. A full sister of hers lived with CAH for 6 years. Good luck with the biopsy, sending prayers and good vibes. Feel free to PM if you need any support.

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So very sorry about your Tia, she is so young. Sending ((hugs)) and good luck wishes to your girl.
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so sorry to hear the bad news.. hopefully she will be ok !!! sneding good vibes your way !!

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I'm sorry to say that I would be pretty worried about her if I were you. By the time that they are jaundiced and showing that degree of symptoms, the liver is pretty damaged. My gosh, she is young to be facing that already.

I had an old girl that had bouts of cholangiohepatitis over the course of several years off and on although her liver necropsy did indicate she had had chronic active hepatitis that was not active when she passed. She never got to the point of being jaundiced until the very end when she was 11.
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[QUOTE=MaryAndDobes;312961]I'm sorry to say that I would be pretty worried about her if I were you. By the time that they are jaundiced and showing that degree of symptoms, the liver is pretty damaged. My gosh, she is young to be facing that already.

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I was just going to say the same thing. I am sorry to hear your girl is not doing well, liver disease is a terrible thing. I hope you can find a treatment that will give some good qulaity time with her.

My advice is to seek out all available treatments, both conventional and holistic and use what you think will give you the best quality result. Educate yourself, and communicate with the vets, specialists that you are teaming up with.

Good luck and positive vibes coming your way...

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I'm sorry to say that I would be pretty worried about her if I were you. By the time that they are jaundiced and showing that degree of symptoms, the liver is pretty damaged.
This is true. Generally about 70-80% of the liver is destroyed before there are any outward symptoms. Early diagnosis is critical and makes a difference in lifespan, but this is a progressive disease that kills eventually.

Liver Disease Signs, Symptoms, and Diagnosis
ACVC 2001 - Management of Chronic Liver Disease in Dogs
Chronic Active Hepatitis (CAH)
chronic hepatitis

I lost a 7 year old male to liver failure in July. While he was never diagnosed because his vWD status, he almost certainly had CAH. He was asymptomatic for 2 years after bloodwork showed a liver problem. Once symptoms became obvious, he went downhill very quickly, dying in about 30 days.

I'm sorry to hear about your girl, and good luck with her!



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Just wanted to add that liver biopsies are risky procedures at the best of times, due to the fact liver disease can inhibit blood clotting ability. While they definitely have their place, it's something I'd approach VERY carefully if a doberman is vWD affected, or of unknown vWD status.

We put off doing a biopsy on my male for a year because he was vWD affected since he was asymptomatic. We finally did a modified form of one, taking far less of a sample than usual. Prior to doing that, he had a full battery of coagulation panels. Despite our precautions he started hemmorhaging after the biopsy. They had frozen plasma on hand to give him which provided short term clotting ability, but it was scary going for a bit. And I don't even want to think what might have happened if they'd taken the standard amount of tissue.

Not trying to scare you unnecessarily here, but this is information you need to know to make the best decisions for your dog. There are situations where it's just not safe to do this particular biopsy on some dobermans.




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So very sorry to read about your girl. Nothing to addd except good thoughts and prayers.
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So sorry to hear that your Tia is going through that. Sending positive thoughts & prayers for you both.
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I'm so sorry to hear about your girl, she's far too young to have to lose. Sadly this disease is a problem in Dobermans and not uncommon from what I found in my research travels. One of the things my vet said to me when I told him I was getting a Dobe was "Jennifer, if cardio and cancer or wobblers don't kill the dog, liver disease will, it will probably be one of them, if you can live with that then go ahead, they are incredible dogs but be prepared for almost certain heartbreak in some form". He also mentioned a problem with copper storage in Dobes that is also a problem.

This is an exceptionally unhealthy breed of dog and when they aren't being diagnosed with some illness they are in surgery for ingesting things like socks, SOS pads, and lego bits....sigh. I firmly believe Dobes are so intense because they are with us for such a short time that they have to cram 16 years of life into an average 8 year life span.
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I'm so sorry. I have no advice but wanted to express my support. We will be here to at least listen even if some of us can't help with advice. Bless you.

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Thank you so much for your kind words.

We picked Tia up from the vets yesterday (sunday) and she looked so much better already! Instead of being lethargic like she was on saturday she was back to her normal self (bar the plaster on her leg where the drip had been previously) I know we still have a long way to go yet but the vet said she was very happy with her progress. Shes on ALOT of medication, and steriods to get her to put some weight on. She is a stone underweight, she is same weight as she was when she was 6 months old.

She has her biopsy tomorrow, which I am worried about. I really hope that she can get better, She's not even 2 yet and i would be completly devestated if we lost her. I've never had a dog with such a brilliant personality before, she lights up my life.

Once again thank you for the comments and any further help would be greatly appriciated
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Sending some holidays prayers for your Tia. Glad to hear she is feeling better and home again.
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[/QUOTE] I've never had a dog with such a brilliant personality before, she lights up my life.

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I am so sorry, your statement is exactly why we have this breed even with all health issues. My prayers are with you.
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We dropped Tia off ok at the vets this morning. She wont be having the biopsy today because they need to know that her blood is clotting fine, So today she will have to have her tummy shaved so that they can scan her and do some more blood tests. The vet didnt think that she would have to be sedated because she was so calm (More like annoyed at being at the vets again!)

Fingers crossed we'll have our baby back for christmas day! She's got a whole lot of toys waiting for her because shes been so brave.
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Tia now has problems with her gall bladder and fluid on her abdomen. We are waiting for the results of her blood tests which will talk 3 days to come. It doesn't look good The vet was talking about having to have her put down if things get worse.

So very very upset.
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Tia now has problems with her gall bladder and fluid on her abdomen. We are waiting for the results of her blood tests which will talk 3 days to come. It doesn't look good The vet was talking about having to have her put down if things get worse.

So very very upset.
I am so sorry. Will be thinking of you.
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I'm so sorry you have to go through all this heartache. I'll be thinking of you and sending special Christmas prayers your way.

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Tia now has problems with her gall bladder and fluid on her abdomen. We are waiting for the results of her blood tests which will talk 3 days to come. It doesn't look good The vet was talking about having to have her put down if things get worse.

So very very upset.
((Hugs)). I too, will be thinking of you all. Enjoy loving her every moment you still have with her.
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Liver problems

My Zeus , who is 8 yrs old had a blood test that showed high liver enzimes levels also. the vet wanted to perform a bioposy also. i went with an ultrasound and additional blood work but no bioposy. he is on several medications, and can diet to control his liver problems. his levels came down significantly within 3 months. I would not go with a bioposy because i am afraid to have them cut him. he does not act ill or show any symptons of being sick. try additional method of controlling the liver damage problem . keep us informed. my prayers are with you.
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Tia did not have the biopsy in the end. Her blood was not clotting properly and we didn't want to put her through the trauma of an operation when she was so sick.

Tia died on the on the 27 December 2008.

Rest in peace my gorgeous girl. I loved every minute of your 1 year and 11 months on this earth. You will be forever in my heart.
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My heart is breaking for you... she was way too young. RIP sweet Tia...

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