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Elevated food/water bowl?

I wonder how many of you use elevated food/water bowls. If you do use it, please share why you have decided to use elevated bowls and what are the benefits? Also, another question is from what age you suggest to start using those bowls.
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A lot of people say elevated food/water bowls can be a cause in bloat.. so I wouldn't recommend them. Because bloat's pretty scary. And if you don't know what bloat is, here's a link with a pretty thorough explanation


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I wonder how many of you use elevated food/water bowls. If you do use it, please share why you have decided to use elevated bowls and what are the benefits? Also, another question is from what age you suggest to start using those bowls.
And as usual, I really appreciate your input. Thank you.
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I began using an elevated bowl when he was around 8 mos...it was adjustable. It takes strain off the neck, but there are those who claim it can cause your dog to eat too fast and bloat. I fed 1 cup of kibble in the am with either organic yogurt or 2% cottage cheese, and 1 1/2 cups at night with evo canned beef or lamb.

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I feed off the ground. I think raising feeders is a completely unnatural way for a dog to eat.



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A lot of people say elevated food/water bowls can be a cause in bloat.. so I wouldn't recommend them. Because bloat's pretty scary. And if you don't know what bloat is, here's a link with a pretty thorough explanation


Bloat in Dogs

This is exactly the deal with this link - it puzzled me. See what they write there:

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Causes
Stress Dog shows, mating, whelping, boarding, change in routine, new dog in household, etc.
Although purely anecdotal, we've heard of too many cases where a dog bloated after a 3rd dog was brought into the household (perhaps due to stress regarding pack order).
Activities that result in gulping airEating habits, especially... Elevated food bowls
So I do not understand - elevated bowls as a cause of bloat or as a prevention?
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So I do not understand - elevated bowls as a cause of bloat or as a prevention?
I've never seen any type of formal study that indicated raising bowls prevented bloat, or even minimized the risk factor for it. Seems to me it's a theory that's never been supported in any way.



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I've never seen any type of formal study that indicated raising bowls prevented bloat, or even minimized the risk factor for it. Seems to me it's a theory that's never been supported in any way.
Do you know about any case that feeding from the ground caused some problems with neck joints etc?
I would rather feed from the ground too because I will not be comfortable to leave my puppy unsupervised with water bowl and elevated constuction thingie.
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Do you know about any case that feeding from the ground caused some problems with neck joints etc?
I couldn't say it NEVER happened, but my attitude is a dog would have to be pretty darned unsound to begin with for feeding from the ground to do them any actual damage.

I *have* used raised feeders in situations where an existing medical problem made it appropriate. But those are the exceptions, not the rule for me.



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I feed off the ground. I think raising feeders is a completely unnatural way for a dog to eat.
Murray, first off I respect your opinions. However, I don't agree that it's an "unnatural way" for a dog to eat. I find that larger breads have an easier time eating off an elevated bowl, but you need to feed smaller meals to eliminate the threat of bloat.

AmimalThing. It has been discussed that using a raised bowl can increase the risk of bloat as a dog may eat too fast. However, this can be prevented if you feed smaller meals two times per day. It's unproven but a good precaution if you choose to use an elevated feeder.

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I would like more input and research on this topic being that I am considering an elevated feeder as well and would never want to use something that would increase a risk of bloat (or any other danger for that matter) in any way. Any one else have any input??? Im gonna do some more research and get back to you guys.......thanks for posting!
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Ahhh!!! No consensus!!! What to AT to do?
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Look, try not to make this a difficult decision. My dobe, and other dogs i have had, have done fine either way. I had German short haired pointers who ate at ground level. Dobermans are tall, and I found that Harley did just fine with an elevated feeder. I also took the precaution of feeding him smaller meals twice a day.

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You aren't going to find a consensus cause there isn't one. Vets don't agree on it either. But I have to say I see no benefit in using an elevated feeder, especially if it's suspected to be a factor in bloat. I agree with Murreydobe that it's unnatural because how many times do you think a dog out in the wild takes their food and puts it in a higher place to eat? No, they eat it off of the ground. Horses have to bend THEIR heads all the way down to nibble on grass, and they are much higher off the ground than dogs. I *DO* think, however, if a dog has an EXISTING condition..arthritis or pain in the spine/neck, that an elevated feeder would be easier on the dog. But I see no reason why eating off of ground level would cause any problems itsself. There ARE of course SEVERAL other things that can cause bloat, and I'd wage a bet that there are more serious risks than elevated feeders. Eating/drinking too much after strenuous work outs, drinking/eating too fast..etc.

If I WERE to use an elevated feeder, I'd have one that is still low enough so the dog still has to bend their head and neck straight down, but maybe not AS much..Not one that they'd have their neck up but heads down in the bowl for. Does that sound confusing? I'd imagine feeding them with having to arch their neck awkwardly to eat wouldn't be comfortable.
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Look, try not to make this a difficult decision.
Haha! This is my friggin nature to overthink everything. I am a perfectionist (let alone my spelling - I will take it to the grave - no improvment here whatsoever, lol). So for me it IS a big deal... Well, I will feed three times a day while she is a puppy and then, twice a day - when she is grown up. I will start with regular bowl at ground level and see how it works for her. If no problem, then I will stick with it.
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you need to feed smaller meals to eliminate the threat of bloat.
Please don't fool yourself -- you are not eliminating the threat of bloat. You are taking a precaution that may or may not contribute to the occurence of bloat. There is NOTHING you can do to eliminate the possibility. One should never be complacent and think it can't happen to them.
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how many times do you think a dog out in the wild takes their food and puts it in a higher place to eat?
LOL! Fair enough.:biggrin55:
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LOL this is gonna be REALLY goofy because I just did this in like literally 2 minutes to visually explain what I meant earlier (forgive me for non-dobe looking Doberman drawings, I'm on a laptop and can't draw with a scroll pad )

If I were going to use an elevated feeder.... it would be okay with me if it was like this.. See how he's still reaching down for the bowl but not AS low?


This feeder they're not bending at all and if they went to eat and stuck their nose in, they'd be all bunched up at the throat and I imagine that would be awkward. I've seen my friend's collie use an elevated feeder and that's how he looks when he eats.
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If I WERE to use an elevated feeder, I'd have one that is still low enough so the dog still has to bend their head and neck straight down, but maybe not AS much..Not one that they'd have their neck up but heads down in the bowl for. Does that sound confusing? I'd imagine feeding them with having to arch their neck awkwardly to eat wouldn't be comfortable.
I had also read/heard/been told that using an elevated feeder can help to avoid bloat, so that's how Tess has always eaten (the elevation has grown along with her, of course). Her bowls now are at a level like you're trying to describe, LAB; she still has to bend her neck to get into them. I actually use short plant stands - they fit the bowls perfectly in circumference and keep them about a foot off the ground.

Anyway, I've noticed that she's gotten pretty used to it and a lot of times if I'm using a portable water bowl at at class or whatever, she seems to prefer drinking from it when it's held off the ground. I should also add that she's not a fast eater or drinker in any way, shape, or form.


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Oh, you are such a great artist! Seriously! I love pictures and dobes look real and AT understandz the concept. Thank you!
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Please don't fool yourself -- you are not eliminating the threat of bloat. You are taking a precaution that may or may not contribute to the occurence of bloat. There is NOTHING you can do to eliminate the possibility. One should never be complacent and think it can't happen to them.
I didn't say that I was eliminating the threat of bloat, did I. I was referring to the use of an elevated feeder, which is what the OP was asking about.

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Uh, yes you did say that one needs to feed smaller meals to eliminate the threat of bloat. That does NOT eliminate the threat of bloat.
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I had also read/heard/been told that using an elevated feeder can help to avoid bloat, so that's how Tess has always eaten (the elevation has grown along with her, of course). Her bowls now are at a level like you're trying to describe, LAB; she still has to bend her neck to get into them. I actually use short plant stands - they fit the bowls perfectly in circumference and keep them about a foot off the ground.
Yup Tess, there are different opinions everywhere about elevated feeders.. I think I do remember Purdue compiling statistics on bloat and having something about elevated feeders being some kind of a factor? But it's also been disputed, and like I said, several various opinions about the feeders. I've never used one and I don't plan on using one but if other dogs can use them with no problem and without wolfing down food, I see nothing wrong with it
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I had a dobie who slipped a disk in her neck playing tug of war and used a raised feeder thereafter. Before that all my dogs ate at floor level and now they all eat at raised level. I do feed twice a day instead of once. I agree that wild animals, dogs included do not raise there food high to eat it, but they also lay down to eat a great deal of time, but I can't get my girls to take the time to do that. LOL Whatever your most comfortable with.....
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Uh, yes you did say that one needs to feed smaller meals to eliminate the threat of bloat. That does NOT eliminate the threat of bloat.
Uhhh, what I said was that I took the precaution and fed smaller meals to eliminate the threat of bloat, all of which is unproven with using an elevated feeder....the key sentence is TOOK THE PRECAUTION. I didn't imply that it eliminates bloat in it's entirety, as it is unsure as to what causes bloat in the first place.

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Purdue Bloat Study - Puppy & Dog Forums

I'm sorry, I couldn't find the original Purdue study, but I remember reading it when I was thinking of getting a Great Dane. If I remember correctly, not only did elevated bowls not prevent bloat, but a higher occurence of bloat was found in dogs with raised bowls. (!)

Again, it seems that all bloat research is fairly inconclusive and they haven't gotten everything figured out, but according to Purdue, raised bowls haven't been proven to help.

Bloat is a scary thing, and I hope this helps - sorry I couldn't find the original study - darn, should have saved that article!! If someone who is better at finding stuff gets a hold of it, I definitely think it should be posted on the forum.
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