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red black or fawn

Im getting a fawn doberman next week, but I just noticed that there are other puppies from someone else red and black pups, that are cheaper.. which is better to get? bc Ive heard that the fawns have skin trouble and sometimes eye sight trouble.. so idk if i should go with a red or black puppy for cheaper or just stick with the fawn that im going to get.. Please post your opinions..
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The best to get is from a reputable breeder.

If you're interested in dilutes I believe there are only a few good breeders who do so. If you let us know on your area maybe someone can point you in the right direction.

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Im in lubbock, tx and im getting the fawn male from maypearl, tx.. Ive been talking to the people that have the fawn. and shes told me that they have had 4 litters before this one.. And the fawn will be ckc, Ill be getting him for 400.. and the other pups that i just found are in plano, tx for 250 and those arent registered and it says that they have been dewormed tails docced but no shots.. what is your opinion that I should do.
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Ugh, where to begin.....first of all, health and temperament of pup should far outweigh color of pup. Let's start with your breeder - who are they and what do they do with their dogs? Title? Or just breed? If you are looking at crappy BYBs you will get crappy health in your pup, regardless of color. That said, dilutes like a fawn can be prone to skin conditions and those can be exacerbated by poor breeding.

ETA: just saw your breeder. You should keep looking. There are some excellent breeders in TX but a ton of BYBs as well. Have you considered rescue?

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OP, I recommend not getting a puppy from this litter at all. Sounds like a BYB to me. Perhaps ou could go the rescue route? They get puppies all the time and you would be saving a life instead of supporting poor breeding practices.

Do a forum search here for color dilution alopecia. Many dilutes (not all) go bald or need extra work. It is poor choices that the breeder is selling them for more.


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well I have a 8 month old and a 5 year old so I would really like a puppy.. and can u tell me the difference from puppy acne and mange?? How much do dobermans usually run? Ive never had a doberman b4 ive only dealt with german sheperds as a kid.. But I just love the way they look so im dieing to get a doberman
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Adopt one of any color, check petfinders in your area, or a Doberman rescue, sometimes there are puppies and young adults in need of a home!

more money just cause it is a fawn, maybe cause they think a dog who WILL develop CDA is rare and unusual and therefore we should pay more for the privilage of owning a dog who will go bald and possibly have secondary skin issues and a low thyroid too!

wow, how cool would that be.

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My Doberman will run as much as I let him. He needs a lot of exercise to be happy. What breed/sex are the dogs that you currently have?

Also, any Doberman under a year is still very much a puppy. The only difference is that they begin to calm down a liiiiiiittle bit and they don't pee in the house. They're also a little smarter.

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I would never recommend bringing a dobe pup into your home now, with an 8 month old. Especially a poorly bred dobe. I have two children, 8 & 6, and raising my puppy was HARD with little ones around. These are very high energy, highly powerful dogs. My puppy getting the zoomies every morning has flattened me, bruised children, broken skin, sent kids flying, all of this repeatedly. I really suggest waiting until kids are older or adopting an older dobe thru a reputable breed rescue. Rescue groups screen their dogs and know which are suitable for young families.

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Im getting a fawn doberman next week, but I just noticed that there are other puppies from someone else red and black pups, that are cheaper.. which is better to get? bc Ive heard that the fawns have skin trouble and sometimes eye sight trouble.. so idk if i should go with a red or black puppy for cheaper or just stick with the fawn that im going to get.. Please post your opinions..
Dogs are not cars!! If you are concerned with the price then maybe a Doberman is not the dog for you. They are prone to many health issues and that is why it is so important to have all the cards stacked in your favor. Buy a puppy from a respected breeder and not a greeder who does all the important health test on their dogs or rescue!!


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I would never recommend bringing a dobe pup into your home now, with an 8 month old. Especially a poorly bred dobe. I have two children, 8 & 6, and raising my puppy was HARD with little ones around. These are very high energy, highly powerful dogs. My puppy getting the zoomies every morning has flattened me, bruised children, broken skin, sent kids flying, all of this repeatedly. I really suggest waiting until kids are older or adopting an older dobe thru a reputable breed rescue. Rescue groups screen their dogs and know which are suitable for young families.

Please don't get sucked in by the "idea" of a puppy as the reality is very different.
Oh my word. I spend way too much time on a dog forum when people bring up ages and I immediately assume they're dogs.

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Price should not be the determining factor in getting a dog that you are going to hopefully spend the next 8+ years living with.

You also will likely never, ever find a well bred Doberman for any less than $1000. And even that is kind of on the low end nowadays it seems.

I'd recommend heading to the DPCA website to their breeder referral page and start there. You might pay more upfront for a well bred dog, but with all of the health testing and certifying (hips, thyroid, elbows, cardiac, etc.) and titling (and thus proving temperaments) good breeders do with their dogs, you stand a much better chance at getting a healthy dog and paying less in vet bills over the course of the dog's life.

And yes, dilute Dobermans (fawns and blues) tend to have more skin and coat problems than their red and black counterparts. It can happen with all colours (I have a black and a red with follicular dysplasia), but it's much less common with reds and blacks. And I'd say that most poorly bred dilutes will very likely end up with pretty severe hairloss. Some backyard breeders like to sell their dilute puppies for more money because they market them as 'rare', but they're not actually rare and should not cost more than black or red puppies.

And keep in mind that just because a puppy is registered, that doesn't mean the dog is well bred. Especially if you're in the US and getting a US bred puppy with a 'CKC' registration... I can pretty well guarantee that that is not a Canadian Kennel Club registered dog, and rather a 'Continental' Kennel Club registered dog which is not a respected organization as far as I've ever heard. But regardless, even backyard breeders can register with AKC, so having a registered puppy does not mean you're getting a well bred puppy.

A good breeder is one who will interview you, ask a lot of questions, have a contract to sign, doesn't breed very often (I like to see two times a year max, maybe three, depending), puts a lot of thought into their breedings, knows the litter's pedigree inside and out, will probably pick out your puppy for you (because they have a better idea which temperament will be best suited to you after living with the litter for 8-10 weeks), has ears cropped before leaving for new homes, screens for health issues as mentioned above, titles their dogs in different venues (conformation, Obedience, Agility, protection), and will always take the puppy back should you no longer be able to care for it. There are a lot of other things that constitute a good breeder as well.

If you do not want to pay upwards of $1000 for a dog, I recommend going the rescue route and adopting an adult Doberman or even a puppy (often rescues have puppies). The more people there are that support bad breeders, the more bad breeders there will continue to be. And that's not good for anyone. Not the owners who are ending up with dogs of unstable temperaments or health issues, not the dogs involved, nobody.

Good luck finding the right puppy for you! It's definitely worth the time and effort to seek out a good breeder or go the rescue route.

ETA: Apparently I took too long to type all this and others responded already! But I echo the idea of it probably not being the best idea to bring in a Doberman puppy with two young children. Doberman puppies are hard work. By far my Doberman puppies were the most difficult, high energy, all over the place, unfocused puppies I've ever raised and my family and I have a lot of dog experience with a lot of different breeds. Our first Doberman was adopted through rescue, as a 7 year old adult, and he was an awesome introduction to the breed. He'd have been the perfect family dog for someone with small children. Very trustworthy, patient, tolerant, and was active but not active like a puppy would be. A dog like him, through a responsible rescue organization, would IMO be a much better choice than a BYB puppy or any puppy really at this point in time.



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i would pass on theses doberman pups and do some research on the breed. The price that your "breeder" is offering says so much about how much they care for this breed.
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LOL, I spend way too much time in "mom" mode so immediately assume they're kids! To be honest, it could be either at this point.

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This type of breeder does not do health or temperament screening and since you have kids, do you want to risk a dog not good with kids? What about health risks?

Please do more research on reputable breeders or rescue who has thoroughly screened the Doberman.

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I agree, I'd pass as well and possibly consider adopting. If no to adopting, go through a legitimately reputable breeder (I can promise that neither of the two that you're considering are reputable). You've gotten some great responses - please heed them.



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well I have a 8 month old and a 5 year old so I would really like a puppy.. and can u tell me the difference from puppy acne and mange?? How much do dobermans usually run? Ive never had a doberman b4 ive only dealt with german sheperds as a kid.. But I just love the way they look so im dieing to get a doberman
What is the sex of the dogs you have (assuming the 8 month old and the 5 yr old are dogs and not children)? You may have problems in getting a male if one of them is a male.


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I am confused. Your other thread said you got the pup 2 days ago - so which is it? Next week or you already have him?

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Take a read through this: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...-want-pet.html.

If you have very young children in the house (I'm a little confused about whether you do or not), I would STRONGLY recommend you wait. Most rescues and most breeders will not place a puppy in a family with such young kids. Waiting until they are older is a much better idea.

This is a good read on how to evaluate breeders: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...new-folks.html. I would say you can expect to pay upwards of $1800 for a puppy. Those cheap puppies you see are not a good deal. It is a huge risk in both health and temperament. I've seen many dogs in rescue from these types of breeders. Don't take the risk.

Here's a good starting place to research breeders: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...formation.html

Believe me, waiting for a puppy from a good breeder is so worth it. Our older Doberman has temperament issues and is a very expensive, frustrating dog to own. She cannot go with us many places, isn't trustworthy around kids, and is just a hard dog to live with. Our almost 9 month old pup from a great breeder is a dream. Great temperament, very healthy, and, I have a breeder that I can contact any time with any question. Don't fall for a bad breeder.


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yes they are kids.. and im getting the fawn puppy next thursday.. and the pup has been brought up around a 10 month old baby and a 4 year old.. so ive made my decision to get the pup.. So thanks everyone for their opinions
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Breeders selling those "rare" dilutes for more than their non dilute counterparts are not ethical. Not ethical in their breeding practice and not ethical in the interaction with their customers.

Good luck and post pics of the cute fawn. They really are stunning puppies. You are prepared to love this dog for it's lifetime, right? Regardless of baldness?

Edit: may have misunderstood? Same breeder with different prices or 2 breeders?

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Breeders selling those "rare" dilutes for more than their non dilute counterparts are not ethical. Not ethical in their breeding practice and not ethical in the interaction with their customers.

Good luck and post pics of the cute fawn. They really are stunning puppies. You are prepared to love this dog for it's lifetime, right? Regardless of baldness?

Edit: may have misunderstood? Same breeder with different prices or 2 breeders?
From what I understand, it's two breeders, one with the fawn, and one with the "cheaper" black and reds.


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