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Hello, anyone had any dealings with Meghan at nydobermans? we have spoke with her and she seems ok. We are new at this and just want a great breeder to work with.Also looking for euro line, If you have any great breeders that raise this line, please let me know.Health,temperment are top priority,also the backing of the breeder after the sale. Thanks David.
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Here's a few previous threads about NY

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...dobermans.html

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...s-anybody.html

NOT a recommended breeder.

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Here's some reading on reputable breeders

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breeding...new-folks.html

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and here's a list of all the euro working, show, and/or working/show line kennels recommended in the U.S. Good luck in your search

I put states next to those I know
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Adlercrest
vom Koby Haus
vom Landgraf (california)
von Luka
Incredible Dobermans (california)
Kansa Dobe (kansas)
Beja
LJ Kye (kentuckyish area)
First Stryk
Cara (east coast)
Swift Run (kentucky)
Masaya (kentucky)
von Moellerhof
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de Tejas (texas)
von Hess
Feverhaus (east coast)
Pontifhaus (Tennessee)
vom Zenhof
Bell'Lavoro(east coast)
Please don't trust any breeder touting the euro line as healthier or larger than american lines.

By both the american and european standards they are the same height but euro's have more substance and are "thicker" in their bone.

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Right off the bat, I see a few things I don't like. 1) No titles shown. 2) Bella, who they say was whelped 1-11-11, has already had at least one litter. 3) Between October 2008 and May 2012, they have had 12 litters, most of them sired by the same dog.


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is someone I would steer clear of. You're lucky that you found this site before putting any money down, or even a few years after the matter. Sam1491 has given you some pretty good places to start looking.

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I know of a pup in Rou's puppy class from NY Dobermans. She is pretty, but it is my understanding that they are breeding over standard dobermans. Anyone who thinks it is ok to do this, as well as the other things you have been brought to your attention by other DT members are good enough reasons to RUN!

Good luck.

If you are from NC, why not see if there are some reputable breeders near you.

You really want to look into a breeder who sticks to standard bred dogs (DPCA.org), health tested dogs, titled dogs, breeders who take much time and care into breeding the ideal pair to make an even more than ideal litter.

If all you see are AKC papers, think twice. If they have no standing titles, no health testing results (vWD, Cerf, Thyroid, Hips, Cardiac, etc.) Look away. Many people think that AKC paperwork alone means good dogs... it doesn't.
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my Logan is from NYdobermans ..i got him from his previous owner who bought from her and had to re-home him due to being deployed. I can only say right now that he is a very smart boy who is very well behaved and has one helluva great personality and incredibly sweet. He does have allergies and an issue with one of his eyes that we are trying to find the appropriate specialist for that is not 100000 miles away from us. cant really comment otherwise.
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Thanks everyone,Sorry I put this in wrong section. Rouleaux, I have been looking here locally. Do you know of debra green in bevard nc? been talking with her, she will have litter this spring. We really wanted to stay with euro line. She will be breeding euro male with 50% american and 50% euro. Not sure how that will be. we like the heavier bone structure in euro. This will be my companion here on farm and will work as a cattle dog mainly>
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Have you contacted any of the breeders that Sam listed? They are all Euro-line breeders, some show, some working.


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The best advice I can give is to actually physically visit a quality breeder and meet an American vs. a Euro dog.

As for the breeder you are interested in (Pantheon Dobermans), their more recent litter is sired by Pamelot's Shrek... however, they don't care much for spelling do they??

PLUS they don't seem to have any information on their dogs and the site leaves some questions.

Pick a few breeders (there are breeders listed on the DPCA.org website) you have been given some GREAT REPUTABLE BREEDERS at the start of the thread! and also research this breed's health issues and the like. Use that website as the base of your research, as well as the forum. Make sure you go through a QUALITY REPUTABLE breeder... not a backyard breeder... (Sorry, but IMHO NYDobermans IS)
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Thanks everyone,Sorry I put this in wrong section. Rouleaux, I have been looking here locally. Do you know of debra green in bevard nc? been talking with her, she will have litter this spring. We really wanted to stay with euro line. She will be breeding euro male with 50% american and 50% euro. Not sure how that will be. we like the heavier bone structure in euro. This will be my companion here on farm and will work as a cattle dog mainly>
How locally?

If you say how far you are willing to travel that will help narrow the list down...

Pontifhaus, masaya, and swift run I know for sure are close-ish to you being in Tennessee and Kentucky respectively.

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Revised list with states for all i was able to identify

All in the US:
Adlercrest (california)
vom Koby Haus (new york)
vom Landgraf (california)
von Luka (california)
Incredible Dobermans (california)
Kansa Dobe (kansas)
Beja (new york)
LJ Kye (arkansas)
First Stryk (state unknown, phone number in central time zone)
Cara (new york)
Swift Run (kentucky)
Masaya (kentucky)
von Moellerhof (the carolina area)
Wustensturm
de Tejas (texas)
von Hess (virginia)
Feverhaus (new york)
Pontifhaus (Tennessee)
vom Zenhof
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Sam, thank you so much. I will travel anywhere I can drive. I like to be grounded lol. I have started on the list of breeders you provided. I am impressed with swift runs site. waiting on return call, will let you know about the progress. Once again thank you.David.
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Sam, thank you so much. I will travel anywhere I can drive. I like to be grounded lol. I have started on the list of breeders you provided. I am impressed with swift runs site. waiting on return call, will let you know about the progress. Once again thank you.David.
Great to hear

Just a btw, masaya started and still uses/works with tammy/swift run a lot so it's a good option to look into as well if what you see at swift run is your style

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To the op, thank you for listening to the advice and seeking better for your future Dober-kid.

Although there are some reputable breeders occasionally mixing an American an euro line dog, it is usually a sign of a BYB trying to advertise "half euro" to make more money. Very few dogs of both types would actually compliment eachother in a perfect half and half breeding.
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Masaya, Swift Run, Von Moeller Hoff, Pontifhaus, Landgraaf, Swift Run, Wusternsturm tend to use more working lines than Euro Show lines. The OP mentioned heavier bone as the basis of looking at Euro lines. Working lines do NOT tend to have this trait. European show lines, especialy Eastern European lines do. As far as Euro show breeders that are good breeders, that narrows it down in terms of the listed breeders. There are many breeders of dogs from Euro show lines, that are just capitalizing on the popularity of the lines behind them and are doing nothing to further enhance or better the breed in terms of working ability, conformation or health.

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Masaya, Swift Run, Von Moeller Hoff, Pontifhaus, Landgraaf, Swift Run, Wusternsturm tend to use more working lines than Euro Show lines. The OP mentioned heavier bone as the basis of looking at Euro lines. Working lines do NOT tend to have this trait. European show lines, especialy Eastern European lines do. As far as Euro show breeders that are good breeders, that narrows it down in terms of the listed breeders. There are many breeders of dogs from Euro show lines, that are just capitalizing on the popularity of the lines behind them and are doing nothing to further enhance or better the breed in terms of working ability, conformation or health.
This is true, but I just posted the whole list for him/her to decide from like I do in any euro thread...

They've already mentioned they like swift run so perhaps the euro look they like isn't what some of us may have thought.

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It is great to see the passion of people for this breed, I did say Euro line because of heavier bone structure. But I feel comfortable with tammy, and her merits and accomplishments with the dogs impressed me. The amount of medical testing.After studying dobes more. We, the family settled on working lines. One of Tammys trainers live 20 min from me. I have contacted him and want to do schutzhund work.Trying to be a responsible Dobe dad, and do right by the breed. Thanks again REALLY to all of you, This site is a wonderful tool, and you all are great.David.
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I have to say I think its horrible that people jump on this site and bash breeders that could be breeding GOOD quality dogs but just because they dont show them they are not a good breeder. I personally have two dobermans from NY Dobermans and it makes me SICK to see the things you people say about them. I actually asked to see the health testing documents from their vet for the health testing of the parents of my puppy and they had no problem showing me them and introducing me to the parents. The dogs I met were clearly family pets and had amazing temperaments. I have looked into more of this since I purchased my puppy and her lines have longevity as well! I dont know why people are so hung up on ribbons. They have exceptional family dobermans that are all family pets and Meghan has been there for any question I have had since I purchased my puppy. Any dog from any breeder can come up with health issues- that is the breed we all fell in love with, they do have their issues. But they do test the parents of the puppies they are breeding and ALL of them are in family homes- what more could someone looking for an amazing doberman ask for?? I would recommend NY Dobermans over and over to anyone looking for a great Doberman!!!
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I read that awhile back- all her dogs have the potential to be show dogs-look at the lines they come from. She will take back any of her dogs at any time as her contract states if someone can not keep them to ensure they are not in a shelter. I find it very hard to believe that any of you that have any negative things to say about NY Dobermans have ever talked to her or her family- because its a family who cares for these dogs and puppies. She does not even have a kennel like most big breeders do!

And no I actually just looked at her website and most of her puppies have families waiting for them again already and they are only 2 weeks old. So sorry but they are producing great dobermans even if they dont fit into your "click" on dobermantalk- Its really a shame because this could be a great site if people were not so quick to jump to conclusions about someone they have obviously never talked to or taken the time to meet their dogs!
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If her dogs have the potential to be show dogs, why aren't they showing? Only one girl has any record of attending shows. Remember, it's more than the line that counts... all dogs have champions in their lines if you go back enough generations

I don't have a puppy right now, but the breeder I ended up going with does show and work her dogs, AND they are family pets, AND they're health tested. Any dobe breeder that operates a breeding plan so large that they need an outdoor kennel is one I'd run far and fast from, tbh.

This breeder is someone recommended to me before I signed up on dobermantalk, and even after. People not even "into" doberman had suggested I look into her. The "clique" here had really not much to do with my overall decision


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If her dogs have the potential to be show dogs, why aren't they showing? Only one girl has any record of attending shows. Remember, it's more than the line that counts... all dogs have champions in their lines if you go back enough generations

I don't have a puppy right now, but the breeder I ended up going with does show and work her dogs, AND they are family pets, AND they're health tested. Any dobe breeder that operates a breeding plan so large that they need an outdoor kennel is one I'd run far and fast from, tbh.

This breeder is someone recommended to me before I signed up on dobermantalk, and even after. People not even "into" doberman had suggested I look into her. The "clique" here had really not much to do with my overall decision

If anyone has actually talked to her she said she started to get into showing before she started breeding and it was way too political for her- I have seen the same myself. So she does not care for it. I personally have seen titled dogs and her dogs and IMO there is no difference. IMO all her puppies have the potential to show- she just preferred to work with family people because she is not a fan of the show world. That does not make her a bad breeder- its just her opinion and I have to say she produces some amazing dogs.

So just because she is personally not into the show world means she is a bad breeder???? Sorry if the dogs have good health and good temperaments thats all I care about- they all have a potential to show if anyone even took time to look at their pedigrees too!!!
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Well, not showing her dogs to championship means her dogs are not necessarily good representatives of the breed standard.

Is this the breeder that was on that Too Cute show?
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