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Hello I'm here to say hi, and say that I've poked my nose into a few gallerys, and threads before I signed up; loving what I see btw.
My question is that we currently live in central PA, we would love to buy ourselves our first Dobe in the near future (hopefully), and do not really know who is a responsible breeder in the area? I have looked at the breeder in Millersburg and though every site I find people are saying what wonderful pups they have, the breeders do not offer certificates for health, or even pedegree on their website and generally do not tell the potential puppy owners.
SO we've kinda crossed them off of our list.
I am currently looking at Desert Legend Dobermans East here is there website -- Desert Legend Dobermans East professionally breeds and sells high quality, super sized Dobermans
they offer an overall health garentee for a year and 3 year health garentee for Cancer and Dysplasia with proof from the vet. The garentee I assume is standard in that they offer a new pup of your choosing for free or monetary refund.
I have found other sites but they seem to be ones that just pick their dog to mate with another on occasion or they seem to have a farm of dogs. Needless to say I don't want something like that. We are willing to travel out of state (though not enthusastically) to find the right breeder and yes we like the idea of rescue but my hubby won't look unless they are pups. So any advise given is welcome and thanks in advanced!
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didn't you just post this in the new member intro

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Stay away from them.
There are good breeders in your state. Please feel fre to PM or email me to help you locate them.

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yes I did, didn't get any replys and figured I was asking the right question in the wrong forum... :-s
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Welcome & Thank YOU for doing your research before purchasing a puppy. Great news for you, Pennsylvania provides a public kennel inspection database. I LOVE PA!! I wish every state did this, the link to the site is https://www.padogs.state.pa.us/Publi...spections.aspx

I looked up Desert Legend and found a few noteworthy things...
  • They have one kennel report, and it is their opening inspection (a new BYB, oh yah...NOT). Since their name is 'Desert Legend East', I wonder if they are affiliated with Desert Legend in Arizona (another horrible BYB gloried puppy mill)

  • At the time of inspection, they had 13 adult dogs, 10 puppies. Do you think those 23 dogs (or even just the 13 adults) are spending their lives as valued members of a family? My guess is that most of them are kennel dogs, and making money (by making puppies) is their number 1, most likely, only job in life.

  • Now, while at the time of inspection they had 23 dogs, the license they applied for, and were granted allows them to have 51 to 100 dogs. Take a moment to consider that, ONE HUNDRED dogs. Can you imagine having ONE HUNDRED Dobermans? How can that be anything but a business designed to make money?
Also, I don't see any reference to those dogs having AKC papers, I may have missed it. If they are AKC registered, it would be good to know their registered names. Also, they take credit cards (which supports that impulse buying, yuck!). Another huge red flag is that their bitches weigh 5lbs less than their stud dog, those bitches are WAY oversized, I suppose that's why they advertise them as 'super size', like they're french fries from Mc Donalds, blah.

Please do not support breeders like this, the puppy you get has a much higher chance of having health issues, and your purchase keeps those adult dogs producing puppies for their greedy owners. You can do MUCH better than this, you really can.

On a side note, what are your plans for your puppy? I ask because Desert Legends describes most of their dogs as 'high prey drive', 'hyper alert', etc. We have members very experienced with working lines, but I think that a lot of working dogs are extremely active, require a significant amount of exercise every day, and simply must have a job to do. If that's what you have in mind, all is well. Just something to consider...

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There are great breeders in PA, I suggest looking at the DPCA breeder referral and doing some research on what to look for in an ethical breeder.

There are 3 PA breeders on DT as well.

Kalecho - Shadeko Dobermans
Liz - Dancing Star Dobermans
velmadobe - Fitzmar Dobermans

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Since their name is Desert Legend East perhaps they really are connected to the kennel out west. I didn't see any pedigrees on the website.
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I'd also like to give you some PA rescues, which may get puppies or youngsters in...


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Thanks for all the links I will take time to review all of them!
We are looking for a family dog, possibly one day to enter agility or shutzhund just not right away. We at the moment do not have the ability to house anything larger than our cat and kids, so we (my hubby and me) figure this is the perfect time to do our research on breeders. Not to mention everything that we need to know to properly care for and spoil!
lol we already have names ready for the pups and my Love insists that the first will be a black boy so I insisted that his name be Guiness. haha Again though at the moment no dog in sight. Again we are interested in rescues but we both agree for the age of our children (almost 5 and 8) we need to get a puppy or at least a dog very shortly after the puppy stage. For that reason we thought a breeder would be the better/easier choice.
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You will find that most small time show breeders do not have websites - more are doing them but I would still say that probably 75% don't have one. Use the DPCA breeders list to look for breeders.

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