Okay here's the e-mail I sent her and her response:
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Just because I'm curious can you tell me if you do any of the following health test on your dogs:
-hip and elbow dysplasia
-von Willebrand disease (vWD)
-genetic eye disease
-dilated cardiac myopathy
-normal liver function
Also can you tell me if:
the parents have any confirmation, obedience, working or temperament titles?
the parents come from lines with any Longevity Certification (LC) or Bread for Longevity (BFL) certification?
the parents come from lines that are albino free?
the parents been temperament tested?
the parents completed a Working Aptitude Evaluation (WAE)
thanks for indulging my curiosity,
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great questions! Are you ready for this? You opened up one of my favorite subjects. Most of this you probably already know, but just in case.....
..... warning, this will be long!
-hip and elbow dysplasia, I have no hip dysplasia in my bloodlines
, but I still screen for any kind of joint degeneration anyway. This is done with an xray to determine if there is any degeneration occurring. Lyric (mother to this litter) has this done yearly, her last xray came back looking great with no signs of displaysia or degeneration in her joints. She is 5 years old and actually should be showing a little wear at this point, but she isn't which makes my heart feel good. I begin this test at 2 years old in my dogs. Diesel (father to this litter) has not been in for an xray yet this year. He is 16 months old and will be going in when he is 24 months.
My reasoning for this is that you will always get a "clear screen" (what doberman people call a bill of good health from the vet) at this age. I know my bloodlines and breed strong dogs that do not have a history of joint degeneration. Be careful when other breeders tell you their dogs got a clear screen, ask WHEN the last xray was taken. some breeders will do their health screening at very young ages when all their tests are guaranteed to run clear.... tricky tricky! Sigh... first off, unless she has all the siblings and all the dogs in the pedigree tested (officially through OFA or other registries), she cannot make this claim. Also, the sire is 16 months? WHat? That is a baby. He shouldn't be having puppies yet, no rush.
-von Willebrand disease (vWD)- Both Diesel and Lyric do not contain the gene for vWD and are clear
. All of their puppies are clears also. I have had a few carriers in the past and have had to be very careful not to breed them to another carrier. vWD is very similar to hemophilia in humans and is only possible to get and affected when two carriers are bred together. It is quite rare to get an affected, and I know quite a few breeders that will breed carriers together and have never gotten an affected. I don't want to take those chances, it's a numbers game you play and eventually you will get an affected. I own three dobermans and all three are vWD clears. I will never own an affected again. I think more breeders should take this stance also so we can eliminate the vWD from dobermans completely. I would get proof here as there are so many other weird things that I wouldn't be supprised if she had no idea how it works.
-thyroid disease - hypothyroidism (HT) is an autoimmune disorder. ALL my dogs get tested for this before I even start their show career. So far I have never had a dog with hypothyroidism, it seems to be genetically passed on, but I have heard of cases where parents that where completely healthy have produced a dog with HT.
-genetic eye disease- There are many different kinds of inheritable eye diseases, incidences of these in dobermans are extremely low
. My dogs get their eyes checked with their bi-yearly physical and always come back great. The big eye problem in dobermans is with the "white" doberman, they have blue eyes and are sensitive to light. They tend to go blind partway into life. She should have them CERF'd by an actual canine ophthomologist to make these claims. And there are some eye problems seen in Dobermans so the claim that they are extremely low isn't super accurate either.
-dilated cardiac myopathy - ooo neat! You gave me the medical term! Most people just ask "is the heart good"
This one is hard to test for. mostly it is based on symptoms, and a veterinarian will determine if a dog needs further testing by simply listening to the dogs heart before and after exercise
. Dilated cardiomyopathy is a condition of an enlarged heart wich will cause all kinds of symptoms and early death in the dog. it can develop at any age, which sucks. I have had two rescue dobermans come through my estate with dilated cardiomyopathy.
both had to be put down. dilated cardiomyopathy is another of the doberman disorders that seems to be hereditary. As far as I know none of the dogs in my dobies pedigrees has ever been diagnosed with this. This is just simply not true. Holter monitor of the heart and echos are a good test. A dog can pass these tests one year and die of DCM the next, but the tests are still a good tool.
-normal liver function - a liver panel test is done every year on my dogs. an enzyme level is taken to determine if the liver is functioning correctly. Liver testing came about in Dobermans somewhat recently when quite a few dobermans where turning up with liver failure. most of these dobermans were related, so AGAIN this is another of the possible genetically passed down diseases. Lyric has a lower liver panel than I like, but my veterinarian thinks its because of being poisoned last year (long horrible story). Her panel is looking BETTER which means her liver is regenerating.
If you get Partiot, ALL of these are covered under my 2 year congenital health guarantee. I will refund or replace him if he is diagnosed with anything congenital. If I bred it into him, it's my fault and nobody should pay for my mistake. So far I haven't had a single genetic disease passed to any of my puppies. Odds are good that Patriot is completely healthy.
-do parents have any confirmation, obedience, working or temperament titles? Both parents have their CGC, Lyric has one major and 11 points towards her AKC conformation Championship (she lost a tooth chewing on a tennis ball and can no longer show confromation or else she would have easily finished her CH!) Lyric and Diesel both work with the Canine Read to Children program here in the elementary district once a week. Diesel has his CGC. Both dogs hopefully will be finishing up their CD this next summer and then we will work on their CDX. They haven't already recieved these to no fault of their own... their owner is busy with her kids and college and has had a hard time squeezing their training time in...
-do the parents come from lines with any Longevity Certification (LC) or Bread for Longevity (BFL) certification? the DPCA provides this, and I love it. I just haven't filled out the paperwork and sent the enormous fee they require to be put on the list. My dogs would be BFL, all dogs within 3 generations have lived past 10 years. Obviously patriots parents are still an unknown, but so far so good.
I expect both to live well over 10 though. Most the dogs in my pedigrees live an average of 15 years.
-do the parents come from lines that are albino free? Yes, there is a list provided by AKC that you can check ANY registered doberman for this. It's called the Z LIST. It's still not determined whether the white doberman is a result of partial albinism or some other color masking gene. But it isn't good! Eye problems, health problems, TEMPERAMENT problems all come with the z-factor white doberman. You are smart to avoid this. I have met a few whites that are an exception to all the problems and are sweet as pie, but why take the chance?
-have the parents been temperament tested? I have never taken them in to another trainer for testing. They have their CGC so that they can participate in volunteer service work (canine read to children program mostly). And I have a strict temperament policy in my breeding program. I don't even tolerate food aggression. drives me nuts.
-have the parents completed a Working Aptitude Evaluation (WAE) - this is also provided by DPCA. I figured the CGC was harder for my dogs to get and the CGC also holds more prestige in the dog community than the WAE so why get both?
I love DPCA though. That is a wonderful organization. I just get my certificates and awards directly through AKC. This is quite possibly the funniest lie I have heard in a looong time. Lol, I am an evaluator for the CGC and it is WAY easier than a WAC. Lol.