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Has anyone heard of the breeder Canis Maximus (Irina Barrett)?

I'm interested in buying a doberman from a European bloodline. Has anyone ever heard of this breeder (http://www.eurodobies.com/)?
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If you haven't heard of her, what breeder do you suggest?
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Where are you located, and what would be the farthest you'd be willing to go to get a puppy? I suggest starting here:
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I had a terrible experience with Irina Barrett and Canis Maximus. Fourteen months ago my rescue dobie (Dante) died of congenital heart failure when he was only 6 years old. Several months ago I decided it was time to get another dobie, and this time I decided on a puppy. I contacted several breeders in search of an intelligent, even-tempered and protective dobie to serve as a family member and protector. I contacted Irina and told her what I was looking for. She emailed me back, telling me she had two males available: a 12 week old puppy with natural ears who was the runt of the litter for $500, and an older puppy (8 months) with cropped ears that a family had purchased and later returned for $1000. Since I was looking for a younger puppy, and I didn't care whether the puppy was smaller than his littermates, I inquired about him. I asked whether him being the runt would affect his health in anyway. She replied "I don't know. One of the previous runts, she had a kidney failure," but that he had "good parents, good lineage" and she assured me that he would be healthy when I received him. I wired her $850 for the cost of the puppy and shipping, and she sent me the puppy (who we've since named Sampson). The day after recieving Sampson, I took him to my vet for a checkup. My vet listened to Sampson's heart, and told me that Sampson had a 3/6 heart murmur and that I should return him to the breeder, and not accept another puppy from the same litter. Thinking that Irina would be shocked to learn of Sampson's heart troubles, I immediately contacted her and offered to return Sampson. She replied that she was aware of his heart murmur, that 'she was very knowledgeable about heart murmurs because she also breeds boxers' and that Sampson would outgrow the murmur. She said she would take Sampson back, she wouldn't refund me the shipping (either the cost to ship him to me or to ship him back), and would only refund the purchase price to me when she found him a new home. She was adamant that "grading a heart murmur is purely subjective," and she did not agree that it was a serious murmur. She also reminded me that I chose a puppy "only for a pet," and therefore I could not complain.

Two weeks later, I took Sampson to another vet for a second opinion. This vet also diagnosed a serious heart murmur and referred me to a cardiologist. The cardiologist performed an echocardiogram and found that Sampson had a hole in his heart. The cardiologist advised that without a corrective procedure ('ductal occluder or open chest surgery') Sampson would suffer congestive heart failure before his first birthday. Rather than make put such a young puppy through open heart surgery, we took him to University of Florida Vet Hospital where they performed the surgery via a catheter in his little arm.

All told, we've spend about $4,000 in vet costs to treat a very sick puppy. Thankfully, the vet says Sampson should recover nicely and should live a long happy life. However, I would NEVER buy another dog from Canis Maximus. Not only did she ship me a sick puppy, but she denied all responsibility for him once I pointed out his condition. Steer clear.

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Hi, welcome to the forum.

Sorry to hear of your loss of Dante, and of all the heartbreak you're going thru with Sampson.

I hope he can have a somewhat normal, happy and long-life with you now. Bless you for getting him his needed surgery.




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Thanks. I'm just heartbroken because he's the first puppy I've ever purchased from a breeder, and it's been such a terrible experience. My last 3 dogs were all rescues (a schnauzer mix that I had from childhood and died at age 16, Dante who I rescued when he was 2, and my shepherd mix--Sasha--who's been with me for 7 years). I will say that Sampson is a good dog; he's smart and very even-tempered. Except for his poor heart, he's a great puppy.
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I'm very sorry to hear about Sampson's health problem but so glad he'll make a full recovery. I'm also sorry you didn't find this site before you found that horrible breeder. Hopefully you can help others avoid similar experiences with such awful breeders.

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Sampson could not have got a better house then what you have provided him Dante, poor baby but Pics please

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I'm so sorry you lost your Dante so young and now have to go through all this with Sampson. Thank you for standing by the little guy and doing everything possible to help him.

I have one question. Several months ago I believe I saw a puppy available on her website that she described as small but with a great personality ect. Isn't that puppy one she imported as a dealer or is she really Sampson"s breeder?
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I assumed she bred him - I never saw him advertised. His parents are Klassik Allert Ursula and Canis Maximus Dominus Deus (both gorgeous dogs with pictures on her website).

Here are the pictures of Sampson she sent me just before she sent him to me. I need to take some recent pics - he's more than double the weight that he was in these pics.
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and since I can't help it, here's a picture of Dante and Sasha at their favorite park...

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I'm very sorry to hear about Sampson's health problem but so glad he'll make a full recovery. I'm also sorry you didn't find this site before you found that horrible breeder. Hopefully you can help others avoid similar experiences with such awful breeders.

Welcome to the forum and you should post some pics of Sampson!
I actually found this site while I was researching breeders, before I bought Sampson. I saw some negative comments about Irina, but they mostly centered around the fact that she bred several different breeds. Now I see I was naive, but at the time, I didn't think that was a big deal. The dogs on her website were beautiful, and she really seemed to focus on breeding for intelligence and good temperment (as opposed to just conformation).
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I'm very sorry for all the heartache you've gone through... but I'm very happy you found Sampson. You are truly an angel to this puppy. Thank you!
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the brown/rust stud in the flash pictures is Multi-CH. Delux de Grande Vinko from Bodyguard K9
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I actually found this site while I was researching breeders, before I bought Sampson. I saw some negative comments about Irina, but they mostly centered around the fact that she bred several different breeds. Now I see I was naive, but at the time, I didn't think that was a big deal. The dogs on her website were beautiful, and she really seemed to focus on breeding for intelligence and good temperment (as opposed to just conformation).
Well, I know you've learned a hard lesson but I feel this should be said for anyone who may be thinking the same things you did...

Any show breeder worth their weight is breeding for intelligence, temperament, and conformation. Something I love about the Doberman breed is the Doberman really does offer the whole package by default of what they are intended to be. You don't have to sacrifice beauty for intelligence or temperament. Anyone who tells you otherwise has the wrong intentions in their breeding program IMHO.



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It is a pretty good guess that when you see a whole lot of males and females owned by one person that they are probably breeding too much and you either need to find another breeder or more research is warranted. That being said your pup is nice looking. He doesn't look very healthy in his side puppy pictures but the one where he is facing he looks absolutely darling!!! He reminds me of his mother.

I hope you have many years with him and he makes you the kind of doberman you deserve. Thanks for caring enough to give him the surgery. I don't think his outcome would have been very good if you had returned him...but you never really know, she might have found someone else to take him off her hands. That's a facetious comment.

Oh yes, you might ask her to return your purchase price to help pay for the puppy's medical bills. She actually should do that much for a puppy she bred.

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Excellent Experience

After many month of research and talking with various breeders I decided upon a dog from Irina. Before making my purchase I visited her kennel, saw her dogs and facilities and spoke at length with her about everything concerning Dobermans. Irina was a wealth of information and extremely patient when explaining various health testing and her dogs. Since I wanted to avoid the early puppy stage I purchased a 7 month old Russian import. Max is a wonderful dog and everything I could hope for. All of his blood work and fecals came back excellent and the vet said he was in perfect health and a beautiful specimen. I would have no hesitation in recommending a dog from Irina based on my experience. I am not a novice dog owner and have bred and shown English Mastiffs and English Bulldogs but realized the Doberman is a unique breed and wanted to purchase from a kennel that would be supportive after I left. Irina has been there for any questions or concerns I have had with Max. Good luck in your search, as each individual, kennel and dog are unique, and it takes persistance to find the right combination, Canis Maximus was the right combination for me.
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I'm interested in buying a doberman from a European bloodline. Has anyone ever heard of this breeder (http://www.eurodobies.com/)?
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If you haven't heard of her, what breeder do you suggest?
You will see MANY different subjective opinions on this forum. From my own experience, I have a beautiful 12mo black and tan male that Irina imported from iz Galakuan. A handful? oh yes, but he is a doberman. I believe he is worth what I paid for. Does she own more than one breed? yes. Does she breed and import more than one breed? yes. Do I think she is wrong for doing so? absolutely not. -and far from it-. As far as I can tell, she has a genuine concern for her dogs well being, she is interested in improving the doberman breed and continually health tests, and titles her dogs in show and work-which is something I have not personally seen any european breeder in the U.S. have in their breeding stock. My advice would be to go and visit and form your own opinion, because no one here is shy about stating theirs even if they have never met, nor done business with her.
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Thanks. I'm just heartbroken because he's the first puppy I've ever purchased from a breeder, and it's been such a terrible experience. My last 3 dogs were all rescues (a schnauzer mix that I had from childhood and died at age 16, Dante who I rescued when he was 2, and my shepherd mix--Sasha--who's been with me for 7 years). I will say that Sampson is a good dog; he's smart and very even-tempered. Except for his poor heart, he's a great puppy.
I just want to say how great of a person you are to keep the pup and get him his necessary operation to live a normal, healthy life. From the sounds of this breeder, and her knowingly sending you a dog with a heart murmur, she probably would have just put that pup down if you returned him to her. Now because of you, this pup will have a life. That's a really great outcome! Also, this thread could possibly save some people from considering buying a pup from that terrible greeder in the future. Many thanks to you!
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You will see MANY different subjective opinions on this forum. From my own experience, I have a beautiful 12mo black and tan male that Irina imported from iz Galakuan. A handful? oh yes, but he is a doberman. I believe he is worth what I paid for. Does she own more than one breed? yes. Does she breed and import more than one breed? yes. Do I think she is wrong for doing so? absolutely not. -and far from it-. As far as I can tell, she has a genuine concern for her dogs well being, she is interested in improving the doberman breed and continually health tests, and titles her dogs in show and work-which is something I have not personally seen any european breeder in the U.S. have in their breeding stock. My advice would be to go and visit and form your own opinion, because no one here is shy about stating theirs even if they have never met, nor done business with her.
That story could be true for YOU, but what about the poor guy who bought Sampson? He received a young pup with a heart condition that had to be fixed in order to live a life. The breeder/greeder SAID THAT SHE KNEW HE HAD A HEART MURMUR! HOW IS THAT AN ETHICAL BREEDER? THAT'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE TO EVEN HEAR THAT! She didn't seem concerned at all about that pup, and you are saying she's this great person? If all the facts of this story are 100% accurate, I'd like you to once again say how great of a breeder she is. My heart goes out to the owner of this poor dog, and you are here trying to defend this heartless breeder? I'm sorry, but that is just wrong!
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I would definitely not recommend any breeder that would sell someone a pup and not disclose that it had a heart murmur, and a grade 3 at that. Did they not think you would find out? Jeeze....

Thank you Dantes Mom for doing the right thing for this pup, you definitely saved his life. My boy has a grade 2/3 murmur but it doesn't require anything, just a valve that doesn't fully open, but I knew he had it when I bought him.

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After many month of research and talking with various breeders I decided upon a dog from Irina. Before making my purchase I visited her kennel, saw her dogs and facilities and spoke at length with her about everything concerning Dobermans. Irina was a wealth of information and extremely patient when explaining various health testing and her dogs. Since I wanted to avoid the early puppy stage I purchased a 7 month old Russian import. Max is a wonderful dog and everything I could hope for. All of his blood work and fecals came back excellent and the vet said he was in perfect health and a beautiful specimen. I would have no hesitation in recommending a dog from Irina based on my experience. I am not a novice dog owner and have bred and shown English Mastiffs and English Bulldogs but realized the Doberman is a unique breed and wanted to purchase from a kennel that would be supportive after I left. Irina has been there for any questions or concerns I have had with Max. Good luck in your search, as each individual, kennel and dog are unique, and it takes persistance to find the right combination, Canis Maximus was the right combination for me.
If she's so great, then why would she KNOWINGLY sell a dog with a heart murmur? There really is no defending this person. NOW it's not a matter of how good her dogs look, the titles they hold (if they have any...I don't know), or any health testing she does. It's come down to a matter of character and doing the right thing, which she obviously DID NOT DO! How can you defend someone with this kind of character and lack of concern over the puppy or the puppies new owner????????????
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After many month of research and talking with various breeders I decided upon a dog from Irina. Before making my purchase I visited her kennel, saw her dogs and facilities and spoke at length with her about everything concerning Dobermans. Irina was a wealth of information and extremely patient when explaining various health testing and her dogs. Since I wanted to avoid the early puppy stage I purchased a 7 month old Russian import. Max is a wonderful dog and everything I could hope for. All of his blood work and fecals came back excellent and the vet said he was in perfect health and a beautiful specimen. I would have no hesitation in recommending a dog from Irina based on my experience. I am not a novice dog owner and have bred and shown English Mastiffs and English Bulldogs but realized the Doberman is a unique breed and wanted to purchase from a kennel that would be supportive after I left. Irina has been there for any questions or concerns I have had with Max. Good luck in your search, as each individual, kennel and dog are unique, and it takes persistance to find the right combination, Canis Maximus was the right combination for me.
Also, there is a huge aspect that you're overlooking. You said that You purchased a Russian Import from her. She didn't breed the dog, so the health of the dog has no issue here. I'm happy that you have a healthy dog. I'm not trying to be mean, but like I said, if the facts are 100% accurate, then this is not a breeder who I'd recommend to my worst enemy.

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That story could be true for YOU, but what about the poor guy who bought Sampson? He received a young pup with a heart condition that had to be fixed in order to live a life. The breeder/greeder SAID THAT SHE KNEW HE HAD A HEART MURMUR! HOW IS THAT AN ETHICAL BREEDER? THAT'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE TO EVEN HEAR THAT! She didn't seem concerned at all about that pup, and you are saying she's this great person? If all the facts of this story are 100% accurate, I'd like you to once again say how great of a breeder she is. My heart goes out to the owner of this poor dog, and you are here trying to defend this heartless breeder? I'm sorry, but that is just wrong!
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That story could be true for YOU, but what about the poor guy who bought Sampson? He received a young pup with a heart condition that had to be fixed in order to live a life. The breeder/greeder SAID THAT SHE KNEW HE HAD A HEART MURMUR! HOW IS THAT AN ETHICAL BREEDER? THAT'S COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY INSANE TO EVEN HEAR THAT! She didn't seem concerned at all about that pup, and you are saying she's this great person? If all the facts of this story are 100% accurate, I'd like you to once again say how great of a breeder she is. My heart goes out to the owner of this poor dog, and you are here trying to defend this heartless breeder? I'm sorry, but that is just wrong

Exactly. that story is true for me. That is the only thing that I wrote was MY TRUE STORY. I have a great dog, he is healthy, and I purchased him from Irina. period. That is much more credibility than I can say of your opinion that is not based on any real personal experience from -what I can tell-. Unless you actually heard the conversation that went on with that owner and that breeder you have zero knowledge of if she actually said that she previously knew the puppy had a murmur before he was sold, that is strictly hear say and as far as I'm concerned it sounds truly unfortunate. Personally, If I were the recipient of that puppy and the breeder admitted to knowing about such serious condition before the purchase -and the condition was not known to me before the purchase or in the contract- I would be doing a whole lot more legally than bad mouthing the breeder on a forum... from the story that owner wrote it does not sound to me like they have done anything but bad mouth. I know for a fact that the contract says the dog must be taken to a vet within 72 hours after leaving the breeder. If the veterinarian concludes that the dog is not healthy they have legal rights to do something about it. I am sorry if someone did experience something like this, and yes, I am glad it was not me. I have nothing else to say regarding that situation, and I did not say "shes this great person"... I did not say anything about her being a great person, because I do not know her on a personal level. The only point I made is that my experience with her is that the few dogs I did see were healthy and happy and I purchased a great dog.
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[QUOTE=lelise;775526]If you're going to PM me and also post this on the open forum page, I am assuming you wish me to do so as well. So to all, here is my response.



I posted it first, then sent it to you as a PM so that you would see it. I never put out a PM from you.. I just read a ton of other things about this wonderful breeder who breeds like 10 different breeds, yet somehow has time to take care of 3 children. Also, she actually admitted that her "job" is breeding dogs. That's sad. You can go on defending this breeder, but anyone with half a mind would stay the heck away from her. I can think of some reputable breeders in her area. Why would ANYONE BUY A DOG FROM HER?

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