Are https://www.besharakennels.com/ reputable dealers? - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums
Breeding and Breeders Know a good Breeder? Are you a Breeder? Please post here and let us know

 5Likes
  • 1 Post By Rosemary
  • 1 Post By dobegal
  • 1 Post By VZ-Doberman
  • 2 Post By Rosemary
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 06:36 AM Thread Starter
Lil Pup
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 1
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Cliff Powell's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Are https://www.besharakennels.com/ reputable dealers?

Does anyone know this breeder https://www.besharakennels.com/? I'm considering buy one of their puppies. Any help would be appreciated
Cliff Powell is offline  
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 10:13 AM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 13,472
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 40,213
Thanked 32,638 Times in 10,705 Posts
                     
Short answer: NO.

Longer Answer: they have dogs from Kimbertal (the largest Doberman puppymill in the country), all the Dobes who's pages I looked at were over-sized, there is no mention of health testing, and their dogs are untitled.
dobebug likes this.


~~The Current Hellhounds~~
ADP-PrCH Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L2 (GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
S-ADP-PrCH CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L2(GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!”
Rosemary is offline  
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
dobebug (07-11-2020), dobegal (07-11-2020), falnfenix (07-11-2020), melbrod (07-11-2020), VZ-Doberman (07-11-2020)
post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 10:25 AM
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,268
Location: Winter Park, Florida
Dogs Name: Dax: NW Elite-1, NW3 Elite, CGC (AKC S.T.A.R Puppy) VIR RIP Roxy (CGC, TD Inc.), Kyra, Tigger
Titles: Dax: NW Elite-1, NW3 Elite NW3 Titles in Exteriors, Interiors, Vehicals, Containers
Dogs Age: Dax, born 12-19-14 VIR born 1-14-18
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobegal's Gallery
Thanks: 17,091
Thanked 9,787 Times in 5,451 Posts
                     
Click here to find out how dobegal became a supporter
exactly what I was going to say Rosemary
dobebug likes this.
dobegal is offline  
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to dobegal For This Useful Post:
dobebug (07-11-2020), melbrod (07-11-2020), Rosemary (07-11-2020), VZ-Doberman (07-11-2020)
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 10:59 AM
Alpha
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9,142

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit dobebug's Gallery
Thanks: 15,180
Thanked 29,891 Times in 7,315 Posts
                     
Try again--where are you? Go to DPCA.org and look at breeders in your area. These people are definitely not reputable breeders of Dobermans--what they think are show quality are (and I've have some experience--I've been showing Dobermans since 1960) NOT what anyone in their right mind would call show quality.

dobebug
dobebug is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to dobebug For This Useful Post:
melbrod (07-11-2020), Rosemary (07-11-2020), VZ-Doberman (07-11-2020)
post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 11:38 AM
Big Pup
 
Al Kelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 26
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Al Kelly's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 51 Times in 20 Posts
     
Adel gifted a Male Dobie on Veterans day to me. I'm a combat wounded Viet Nam Vet. I've had The puppy since November 12 2019. He came without papers which I am not concerned because I will have him neutered in 6 more months. He is my 5 the male Dobie in 40 plus years, and probably the best one. He's great with kids, people,and other dogs. He is finishing his advanced obedience training this week, and hopefully going to be my service dog in a few months.
We walked through his kennel and everything looked great. My Hans was one of seven of his dobies. He has the best temperament Of all my previous dogs.
Adel is by no means a back yard breader!!
Al Kelly is offline  
post #6 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 12:02 PM
Alpha
 
VZ-Doberman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,917
Dogs Name: Bacchus
Titles: 140 Titles and Awards. AKC #1 PACH Doberman Pinscher 2015.

Gallery Pics: 10
Visit VZ-Doberman's Gallery
Thanks: 10,316
Thanked 17,727 Times in 5,368 Posts
Images: 10
                     
I took a look at their website and there was something oddly familiar about it. It looks like a knock off of K-tal.
dobebug likes this.
VZ-Doberman is offline  
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to VZ-Doberman For This Useful Post:
dobebug (07-11-2020), dobegal (07-11-2020), falnfenix (07-11-2020)
post #7 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 02:50 PM
ಠ_ಠ
 
falnfenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6,509
Location: Baltimore
Dogs Name: Ripley; R.I.P. Deckard
Titles: WAC
Dogs Age: DOB 7/8/13
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit falnfenix's Gallery
Thanks: 17,350
Thanked 14,359 Times in 4,730 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Kelly View Post
Adel gifted a Male Dobie on Veterans day to me. I'm a combat wounded Viet Nam Vet. I've had The puppy since November 12 2019. He came without papers which I am not concerned because I will have him neutered in 6 more months. He is my 5 the male Dobie in 40 plus years, and probably the best one. He's great with kids, people,and other dogs. He is finishing his advanced obedience training this week, and hopefully going to be my service dog in a few months.
We walked through his kennel and everything looked great. My Hans was one of seven of his dobies. He has the best temperament Of all my previous dogs.
Adel is by no means a back yard breader!!
It's great that you love your boy, but this breeder is unethical.

“I am the sea witch. I am the tide you fear and the turning you can't deny. I am the sound of the waves running over your bones on the beach, little man, and I am not amused at finding you on my doorstep.”
- the Luidaeg, Chimes at Midnight

DPCA Chapter Club: http://www.mbdpc.net/
Regional rescue: http://www.dobe.net/
falnfenix is offline  
The Following User Says Thank You to falnfenix For This Useful Post:
VZ-Doberman (07-11-2020)
post #8 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 06:58 PM
Big Pup
 
Al Kelly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 26
Dogs Name: Tell us your dogs name

Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Al Kelly's Gallery
Thanks: 0
Thanked 51 Times in 20 Posts
     
Why do you say he is unethical?
Al Kelly is offline  
post #9 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-11-2020, 07:53 PM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 13,472
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 40,213
Thanked 32,638 Times in 10,705 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Kelly View Post
Why do you say he is unethical?
1) they didn't give you your dog's registration application
2) They have dogs from Kimbertal, which is the largest Doberman puppymill in the US
3) their dogs aren't titled in conformation and/or performance
4) they don't appear to health test their dogs (none of the ones I checked are on the OFA website)
5) they claim that their over-sized, out of standard dogs are "amazing show quality" (Dobe bitches are not supposed to be 30" tall, even under the FCI standard)

That's just off a quick look at their website and cross-referencing the OFA website.
dobebug and KristenC like this.


~~The Current Hellhounds~~
ADP-PrCH Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L2 (GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
S-ADP-PrCH CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L2(GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!”
Rosemary is offline  
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Rosemary For This Useful Post:
Artemis (07-12-2020), dobebug (07-12-2020), falnfenix (07-12-2020), melbrod (07-11-2020), spocksdad (07-12-2020), VZ-Doberman (07-11-2020)
post #10 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-12-2020, 07:18 AM
ಠ_ಠ
 
falnfenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 6,509
Location: Baltimore
Dogs Name: Ripley; R.I.P. Deckard
Titles: WAC
Dogs Age: DOB 7/8/13
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit falnfenix's Gallery
Thanks: 17,350
Thanked 14,359 Times in 4,730 Posts
                     
^^ Rosemary nailed it.

I live in Kimbertal's fallout zone. Almost all the dogs that end up in rescue in my area are Kimbertal dogs. That's problematic. If they were in any way ethical, those dogs would never land in rescue, nor would they stay in rescue until adoption.

Furthermore, a breeder producing oversized dogs is problematic. This is NOT a large breed! We have a breed standard for a reason, and breeding them too large brings in an increased risk of spinal, joint, and heart problems. I sure hope you've figured out how much echocardiograms and holters cost in your area, because in your shoes I'd plan to do them twice a year. Kimbertal produces a LOT of cardio. I spoke with someone whose parents are devotees of Kimbertal, and they legitimately believed the breed's lifespan is no more than 6 years. Every single one of theirs (something like 15 dogs) died by the age of 6. They lost of them from cardio, one or two from absolutely horrid temperament.

Also, from a personal experience - I've seen several Kimbertal dogs in the Obedience ring, and literally none of them have done well. All of them seemed just slightly "off."

“I am the sea witch. I am the tide you fear and the turning you can't deny. I am the sound of the waves running over your bones on the beach, little man, and I am not amused at finding you on my doorstep.”
- the Luidaeg, Chimes at Midnight

DPCA Chapter Club: http://www.mbdpc.net/
Regional rescue: http://www.dobe.net/
falnfenix is offline  
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to falnfenix For This Useful Post:
Artemis (07-12-2020), dobebug (07-12-2020), melbrod (07-12-2020), Rosemary (07-12-2020), spocksdad (07-12-2020), VZ-Doberman (07-12-2020)
post #11 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-15-2020, 10:23 AM
Big Pup
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 23
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Koa and Bella
Titles: No
Dogs Age: 3 and 7
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Kudobe's Gallery
Thanks: 1
Thanked 46 Times in 17 Posts
     
I am pretty sure my male Koa is from this breeder looking at his bloodline. We rescued him from a family that could not care for him any more at 11 months due to a variety of reasons.

He was a challenge at first. He was more stand offish in the beginning. He growled at you if disciplined and even snapped at me a couple times. He could have easily bit me pretty bad, but did not. It was a warning which I definitely took heed of and altered my handling of him. It took a little bit of training and establishing authority and bonding, but now he is an awesome dog that is glued to me like most Dobermans are. He is turning 4 this month.

He isn't exactly oversize, but he is definitely on the large boned side.

Not sure how much is breeding and how much was upbringing, but I am sharing with you what I know and have experienced.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20181122_115958.jpg
Views:	10
Size:	610.6 KB
ID:	112899  
Kudobe is offline  
post #12 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-15-2020, 10:53 AM
Got mutt?
 
Rosemary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 13,472
Location: Southeast Texas
Dogs Name: Leo (GSD); Lily (APBT)
Titles: They do, and are working on more
Dogs Age: Leo 7; Lily 5; Ilka 2009-2017; Lucky 2000-2014
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Rosemary's Gallery
Thanks: 40,213
Thanked 32,638 Times in 10,705 Posts
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kudobe View Post
I am pretty sure my male Koa is from this breeder looking at his bloodline. We rescued him from a family that could not care for him any more at 11 months due to a variety of reasons.
If you have his AKC paperwork, the breeder's name is on it.


~~The Current Hellhounds~~
ADP-PrCH Lily Dale- A Melody Unchained ETD PKD-T PKD-N ADP-L2 (GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
S-ADP-PrCH CA Speed Queen Leontine Von Washateria ETD D-CRO-Preliminary PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L2(GC) GPS-SST OD-WD4
~~Requiescat In Pace~~
Ilka Of Pear Orchard Cemetery BN RE CA CGC TKP ETD CRO-1 D-CRO-Preliminary NCO-1 PKD-T PKD-N S-ADP-L4 ~2009-2017~
Lucky Rat Dog CGC ~2000-2014~
“Dance as if no one who is qualified to commit you is watching!”
Rosemary is offline  
post #13 of 13 (permalink) Old 07-15-2020, 11:44 AM
Big Pup
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 23
Location: Florida
Dogs Name: Koa and Bella
Titles: No
Dogs Age: 3 and 7
Gallery Pics: 0
Visit Kudobe's Gallery
Thanks: 1
Thanked 46 Times in 17 Posts
     
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosemary View Post
If you have his AKC paperwork, the breeder's name is on it.
I don't have the bloodline I was given with me at work and I am going off memory, but I think I recognize one of the studs in the breeders list as being the sire from a scanned copy of his bloodline from the original owner. Since I didn't get the actual AKC paperwork from the owner when I rescued him and I wasn't breeding him anyway, it didn't really matter at the time and I didn't pay too much attention.

Last edited by Kudobe; 07-15-2020 at 12:00 PM.
Kudobe is offline  
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome