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Looking for info on these breeders ...

Any info - good or bad as well as pictures of your dobi’s and where purchased.

Sierra Doberman’s
Garrett’s Doberman’s
La Doberman’s
Indah Lux / Acadiana Doberman’s
Becky Floyd - Gallant Hearts Guide Dogs / Southern Pride Kennels

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I believe you can do much better. Check out the Breeder's Referral on the DPCA website.


Don't be surprised if you need to travel a bit or be on a waiting list. Good luck with your search.


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A definite NO on Sierra and Garrett's. Both of them have been discussed previously on DT. The easiest way to find the threads is to do a Google search for their names, adding "DobermanTalk", and they should come up.


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Hi PM2244!

Are you looking for a companion, show, or sport dog? I'm sure members can help point you to some good breeders.



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Are you looking for a companion, show, or sport dog? I'm sure members can help point you to some good breeders.
Iím looking for companion, protection, sport, obedience possibly show but with all this Covid and shows canceling and there arenít a lot of shows near me that I know of. Iíd also like to train for service as well ... You know, just looking for the whole package = The perfect dog 😃
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Gallant Hearts Guide Dogs--Becky Floyd (Also Southern Pride is her original kennel name.)

I know a little about Gallant Hearts/Southern Pride and Becky Floyd. When Joanna Walker (Marks-Tey Dobermans retired as a breeder she had established herself as a trainer and provider of Doberman Guide Dogs for the Blind. Becky became involved in this and has taken over that role (I think that Joanna passed away some years ago.)

Becky and I were on several Doberman lists a good many years ago--so I don't know what she's breeding under her own kennel name these days but she always struck me as a very honest woman and I think you would find her reliable if you asked her what she has to offer by way of puppies these days.

This is a guess but since any one who has ever been involved in the acquisition or breeding and early training of Guide dogs, or really any sort of service dog knows that there are always a number of puppies that don't make the grade but who would still be wonderful pets and companions. But that's the kind of thing to ask Becky about.

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Iím looking for companion, protection, sport, obedience possibly show but with all this Covid and shows canceling and there arenít a lot of shows near me that I know of. Iíd also like to train for service as well ... You know, just looking for the whole package = The perfect dog 😃
We've had a number of conversations on this forum about Dobermans as service dogs. I have several friends that use Dobermans as service dogs, and they are generally the first people to discourage others from choosing the breed as a service dog. I don't want to interrogate you about the reason you are looking at the breed for service, but depending on what your needs are, the breed may be particularly unsuitable for your needs. The guardian nature of the breed can make it really hard for them to do the work - all of my friends have stated that it's difficult to find a dog that will ignore their breed temperament in order to allow access in emergency situations, for example, rather than guard their owner in a serious situation.

If service work is your priority, I would absolutely be looking for a breeder that has produced service dogs before, and there aren't a huge number of those in the breed. I'd be happy to PM one of our members who has a service dog to pop in on this thread if he's available. If show/sports is more of the priority, I'd focus on looking at breeders that are successful in those venues.


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I think that Prioritizing your needs should be the main objective for you at this point. You are not going to find a doberman who can do all of those things for your first dobe frankly. People wait a lifetime to find a dog who can do it all. Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs. Good luck!
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Iím looking for companion, protection, sport, obedience possibly show but with all this Covid and shows canceling and there arenít a lot of shows near me that I know of. Iíd also like to train for service as well ... You know, just looking for the whole package = The perfect dog 😃
That is quite a list!

Do you have experience with the Doberman breed? If so, what kind of experience?

Do you have experience competing in protection and/or performance sports with any breed?

Have you ever showed a dog? If so, did the dog finish? Have you successfully shown a Doberman before?

For the Service Dog stuff, I would encourage you to read MeadowCat's reply above. And, if you do indeed want a potential service dog, I highly recommend you take her up on her offer to speak to her friend. If its the person I'm thinking of, he would be an excellent resource on the matter.

I also tend to agree with greenkouki's assessment. I think its a must that you prioritize your list in order to better determine what breeders and lines will be an ideal fit. The Doberman is a very versatile breed who is capable of doing a lot of things well...

However, due to breeding trends in different lines that are aimed towards success in different venues, some desirable traits can be in conflict to one another. And this makes it very difficult to find dogs who are not only capable of high achievement at competitive levels of different venues, but it's also a lot for one person to know how and be able to successfully campaign one dog in the different venues (which is, in part, why I ask what your experience is for the different things on your list).

Additionally, if you yourself aren't pretty well qualified already (i.e., verifiably experienced in the breed and/or different competitive venues), many breeders will be reluctant to sell you a really promising to exceptional dog who might ultimately become a Jack-of-All-Trades-Master-of-None in the history books. It takes a lot of hard work and commitment (and money, to be honest) to pursue any one of those areas to excellence. Many breeders would rather send an excellent dog with a lot of promise to someone who they have high confidence will at least be able to achieve one thing of greatness, rather than many things of mediocrity.
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I'd be happy to PM one of our members who has a service dog to pop in on this thread if he's available.
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No I do not mind you inviting someone else to the thread. Iím here looking for info!
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I'd be happy to PM one of our members who has a service dog to pop in on this thread if he's available.
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You might find this post helpful before I bug them: https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...ml#post4133975

You might want to actually read the whole thread - it's pretty helpful on the topic of Dobermans in service work.


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Becky Floyd is a very good Breeder, although I donít think she breeds for show anymore. As mentioned she does still stay involved with guide dogs.

My dog was a litter mate to one of her personal guide dogs, many years ago.

Sheís outside Jackson MS.
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I think that Prioritizing your needs should be the main objective for you at this point. You are not going to find a doberman who can do all of those things for your first dobe frankly. People wait a lifetime to find a dog who can do it all. Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs. Good luck!
Yes I do know I need to prioritize my needs. So if I had to do that ... 1st would be companion. 2nd would be Service 3rd would be protection When I say ďserviceĒ Iím talking about going places with me, maybe picking up things or getting things.
Now when I say protection, Iím undecided about training for protection. With their appearance and natural urge to protect, that may be all Iím needing. But will I need to train her in protection to sharpen her ability to determine what is a threat or not? Or to pull her off if she is in defensive mode?

I was leaning towards European. I do like their darker rust markings rather than the tan markings of the American. But I will keep an open mind and consider any and all advice I get here!

I did see where you said ď Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs.Ē And I will definitely look into that. Thank you for giving that advice!! If you have any breeders that you think I should look into I would greatly appreciate the info!!

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Yes I do know I need to prioritize my needs. So if I had to do that ... 1st would be companion. 2nd would be Service 3rd would be protection When I say ďserviceĒ Iím talking about going places with me, maybe picking up things or getting things.
Now when I say protection, Iím undecided about training for protection. With their appearance and natural urge to protect, that may be all Iím needing. But will I need to train her in protection to sharpen her ability to determine what is a threat or not? Or to pull her off if she is in defensive mode?

I was leaning towards European. I do like their darker rust markings rather than the tan markings of the American. But I will keep an open mind and consider any and all advice I get here!

I did see where you said ď Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs.Ē And I will definitely look into that. Thank you for giving that advice!! If you have any breeders that you think I should look into I would greatly appreciate the info!!

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If you are simply looking for darker markings...that's not exclusive to European lines. You just have to look around and find lines that have a look that you like. My boy is 100% American lines, and he has a nice dark rust. I'm not saying to exclude those breeding European lines, just know that you're looking at working dogs, and be sure you know what you're looking at and the needs of the dog. Personally, temperament and health would be first on my list, and then I'd narrow that list down after to which of those breeders I most liked in terms of how their dogs looked.


What you describe in terms of "protective" - personally, I think a breeder who has dogs that have passed their working aptitude exams are likely enough to meet your needs. Just my opinion. A Doberman with correct, solid temperament should be alert, understand the difference between friendly and unfriendly people. Now, there's a lot of question about whether an untrained dog can truly protect you in a REAL situation where you need protection. I hope my dogs are never placed in a situation where they need to do that. However, they have both passed their WAE and they are 100% excellent deterrents. I never worry when I'm out walking with them. They are very alert. Simply having a Doberman at the end of your leash is often all you need.

BTW, here is my boy - 100% American, dark rust markings. You can see the difference between him and my girl, who has lighter markings. This is obviously an old picture, since Sypha is now 4 1/2

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Gosh! Your boy is beautiful!! But looking at his picture I would have thought he was European. He looks heavier than most Americans Iíve seen. Has a broad barrel chest. His muzzle looks more broad and he doesnít look to have the ďarchĒ in his neck. It seems more like the slant of the Europeanís. But Iím just going by what Iíve been told to look for.

Regardless, again, he is beautiful! Iím looking for a female just like him - LOL
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Gosh! Your boy is beautiful!! But looking at his picture I would have thought he was European. He looks heavier than most Americans Iíve seen. Has a broad barrel chest. His muzzle looks more broad and he doesnít look to have the ďarchĒ in his neck. It seems more like the slant of the Europeanís. But Iím just going by what Iíve been told to look for.

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He's actually on the smaller side for a male, if I remember correctly. And he's standing naturally, not stacked.


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He's actually on the smaller side for a male, if I remember correctly. And he's standing naturally, not stacked.
This is exactly why pictures are not a substitute for seeing a dog in person. Richter has good substance to him - he's not fat at all, he has decent bone, but he is not by any means a LARGE male. Rosemary is exactly right - he's on the smaller side of the standard. But let me tell you, he has "presence", because what you say is true...he has a look to him. Do you know how many people, EVEN IN PERSON, will think he weighs 90 pounds? People will cross the street when I'm walking with him (and he is a very nice dog...he can be aloof with strangers, but by no means aggressive in the least, and is the sweetest boy you'll ever meet if you're "his people"). I had a marine jogging by comment "that's SOME dog!" And he is...he's a great dog. But...he weighs 74 pounds. He's not a big guy. He carries himself with confidence. He IS confident. And if he hits you, it hurts (I know, as he's run into me full speed by accident in agility, LOL!).

Rosemary is also correct that he's simply standing naturally. You could make him "look" like a stacked, show ring Doberman, if you had a skilled handler working with him.

Right now it's hard - there aren't a lot of dog shows going on in some areas of the country. But as they start happening...getting out and meeting/seeing dogs in person, I think you'd be really surprised by what you see when you see dogs in person. Dogs look so much different than they do in a photo. I think you would be able to find a breeder that has dogs that are what you want.
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If you're looking for bone and a squarer jawline, Starline produces a lot of nice puppies.
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He's actually on the smaller side for a male, if I remember correctly. And he's standing naturally, not stacked.
Wow! Smaller size? He doesnít look it in this pic. Maybe because heís next to the smaller female. He is so handsome!! Did you get him from a breeder that you would recommend?
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Wow! Smaller size? He doesnít look it in this pic. Maybe because heís next to the smaller female. He is so handsome!! Did you get him from a breeder that you would recommend?
Sypha was still a baby in that picture, which is why she looks so much smaller. There is a good shot of them side by side in in this thread from the other day. https://www.dobermantalk.com/doberma...y-richter.html


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If you're looking for bone and a squarer jawline, Starline produces a lot of nice puppies.
I have a question ... you suggested Starline. Are they the same as Starlaine? When I searched Starline it brought up Starlaine.
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I have a question ... you suggested Starline. Are they the same as Starlaine? When I searched Starline it brought up Starlaine.

No. Tiffany Neal is Starline, Elaine Hopper is Starlaine. I do like Starlaine as well, and she also has nice bone and heads.
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Because I like posting pictures of my girls and to illustrate the point that you can't judge judge a dog's size by just a picture...

One of these dogs weighs 55 pounds. The other does not. Care to take a guess? I'll give you the hint that there is a 20 pound difference between the pit and the GSD.

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Wow! Smaller size? He doesnít look it in this pic. Maybe because heís next to the smaller female. He is so handsome!! Did you get him from a breeder that you would recommend?

This is why I repeatedly stress that it's impossible to judge dogs by photos and how important it is to go out and see dogs in person. It's challenging right now, I get that. If looks are such a big priority for you, I would find a way to go see dogs at a show. In my opinion, though, temperament and health/longevity should be higher on the list than looks. I want a dog that has an outstanding temperament and is going to be with me for a long time more than I care about a deep rust color. That's me, though.

Yes, I absolutely recommend Richter's breeder. However, as she commented in the other thread you posted in (her screen name here is MaryandDobes), she doesn't have any breeding plans for the forseeable future. I consider myself incredibly lucky to have been able to get one of her dogs. I think I did great research to find someone like Mary, we had a good relationship prior to me actually getting Richter, and I got SUPER lucky that she had Richter available. The longevity in her dogs is fantastic, they have great temperaments and I've had an incredible dog in him. His looks are one thing, his great companionship, his working ability evidenced by the fun times we've had earning titles together, and his lovely temperament that makes him a joy to own is what make him fabulous. More than that, the great breeder support I enjoy, the friend I've gained in Mary...that's what everyone deserves.


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