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#1 · (Edited)
Looking for info on these breeders ...

Any info - good or bad as well as pictures of your dobi’s and where purchased.

Sierra Doberman’s
Garrett’s Doberman’s
La Doberman’s
Indah Lux / Acadiana Doberman’s
Becky Floyd - Gallant Hearts Guide Dogs / Southern Pride Kennels
 
#3 ·
A definite NO on Sierra and Garrett's. Both of them have been discussed previously on DT. The easiest way to find the threads is to do a Google search for their names, adding "DobermanTalk", and they should come up.
 
#4 ·
Hi PM2244!

Are you looking for a companion, show, or sport dog? I'm sure members can help point you to some good breeders.
 
#5 ·
I’m looking for companion, protection, sport, obedience possibly show but with all this Covid and shows canceling and there aren’t a lot of shows near me that I know of. I’d also like to train for service as well ... You know, just looking for the whole package = The perfect dog 😃
 
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Gallant Hearts Guide Dogs--Becky Floyd (Also Southern Pride is her original kennel name.)

I know a little about Gallant Hearts/Southern Pride and Becky Floyd. When Joanna Walker (Marks-Tey Dobermans retired as a breeder she had established herself as a trainer and provider of Doberman Guide Dogs for the Blind. Becky became involved in this and has taken over that role (I think that Joanna passed away some years ago.)

Becky and I were on several Doberman lists a good many years ago--so I don't know what she's breeding under her own kennel name these days but she always struck me as a very honest woman and I think you would find her reliable if you asked her what she has to offer by way of puppies these days.

This is a guess but since any one who has ever been involved in the acquisition or breeding and early training of Guide dogs, or really any sort of service dog knows that there are always a number of puppies that don't make the grade but who would still be wonderful pets and companions. But that's the kind of thing to ask Becky about.

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I think that Prioritizing your needs should be the main objective for you at this point. You are not going to find a doberman who can do all of those things for your first dobe frankly. People wait a lifetime to find a dog who can do it all. Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs. Good luck!
 
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Yes I do know I need to prioritize my needs. So if I had to do that ... 1st would be companion. 2nd would be Service 3rd would be protection When I say “service” I’m talking about going places with me, maybe picking up things or getting things.
Now when I say protection, I’m undecided about training for protection. With their appearance and natural urge to protect, that may be all I’m needing. But will I need to train her in protection to sharpen her ability to determine what is a threat or not? Or to pull her off if she is in defensive mode?

I was leaning towards European. I do like their darker rust markings rather than the tan markings of the American. But I will keep an open mind and consider any and all advice I get here!

I did see where you said “ Just the vibe I'm getting from your replies makes me want to suggest a well bred show line dog with a pedigree that has a lot of great tempered dogs.” And I will definitely look into that. Thank you for giving that advice!! If you have any breeders that you think I should look into I would greatly appreciate the info!!

Thank you again!
 
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Gosh! Your boy is beautiful!! But looking at his picture I would have thought he was European. He looks heavier than most Americans I’ve seen. Has a broad barrel chest. His muzzle looks more broad and he doesn’t look to have the “arch” in his neck. It seems more like the slant of the European’s. But I’m just going by what I’ve been told to look for.

Regardless, again, he is beautiful! I’m looking for a female just like him - LOL
 
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He's actually on the smaller side for a male, if I remember correctly. And he's standing naturally, not stacked.
 
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Because I like posting pictures of my girls and to illustrate the point that you can't judge judge a dog's size by just a picture...

One of these dogs weighs 55 pounds. The other does not. Care to take a guess? I'll give you the hint that there is a 20 pound difference between the pit and the GSD.

2020-4-12 Dogs DSC_0154 by Rosemary Elwell, on Flickr
 
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I'd never heard of them before just looking at their facebook page. There are new people breeding all the time, and for sure I don't know them all. They have bred to some well known dogs, so I will make an assumption that they are known to the doberman fancy.
 
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I found their Facebook page, and a listing on Breeders.net.

According to Facebook: We are a breeder of European Doberman Pinschers and Min Pins. We strive to breed quality family oriented dogs. All of our dogs are genetically health tested and AKC registered.

According to Breeders.net: European AKC Doberman pincher puppies. Parents are genetically health tested with clear results, no Z factor, or history of DCM. Raising Dobermans for 20 years at our home with our children and pets.

Neither one of them mentions titling or any health testing beyond genetic testing. And frankly, that bit about "no history of DCM" in the Breeders.net profile is enough to turn me off. DCM is everywhere in Dobes. There are NO lines that are clear of it.
 
#30 ·
You mentioned clear Embark results—likely some of the results they are talking about are whether either parent has one or both of two genes that may have something to do with the development of DCM in the doberman.

But DCM is apparently caused by the interaction of multiple genes. A dog can be negative for these two genes and still develop DCM; they can be positive for these genes and not develop DCM. Some breeders run these genetic tests in addition to many other tests, in an effort to gather information as we try to understand the development of DCM in the doberman, but it is almost of academic interest only at this point.

The tests you want to see in terms of DCM and doberman heart conditions are good results on a 24 hour holter and an echocardiogram, performed on both parents within 1 year or less of the breeding.

When you are looking at a puppy's pedigree, you look for things like DCM or short lifespans in the parents, grandparent, siblings from previous breedings, aunts, uncle, and so on—examining that history is important in evaluating the bloodline's health, but like Rosemary said, there are no lines of dobes that are absolutely free of DCM, and a good breeder should know that.
 
#32 ·
Maybe you could clarify your goals at this point? I don't see a lot of common ground between the last two breeders you asked about.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Well, as far as clarifying my goals. They have changed since I first started looking - which was before Covid. I have changed from going with a European that I could possibly show to the following:

Female
American or maybe 1/2 & 1/2
Companion
Maybe agility
And of course health, longevity, and temperament would be at the top of that list.
I like the Europeans but am rethinking their strong prey drive and determination. But I do want one with a little bit of that as I also want her to be protection as well. Which is why I’m considering a 1/2 & 1/2. BUT I am having trouble finding those breeders. (Any advice and recommendations would be greatly appreciated!!!).

I have been in contact with 1 breeder who has been really nice and answered all of my questions. Not only did she answer them but also EXPLAINED as well. She does breed show Europeans but she says they “have the laid back temperament of the Americans”. Any thoughts on that?
 
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