I agree with you about that MeadowCat. But just as I've never had a problem with Albino Dobe's adopted from rescues, pounds and shelters--as long as they are neutered I don't care that they are still alive. It is what it is and it isn't their fault that they are albino and have dubious temperaments and they didn't opt to be here. That was just bad luck and stupid people who are fine with doing anything that looks like a money maker.
Basically I don't want people breeding albinos--because of what they are and how there have been exploited and from what little I've seen I agree with Judy Doniere--as far as conformation goes--the dogs from the WZ lines are better than they used to be and from the very little I've seen as far as temperament goes I think that has improved too. But if it's a normal colored puppy I don't really thjnk anyone really needs to spend the money to do a gene test for an albino gene. And heavens knows there are plenty of less that wonderful temperaments on dogs from BYB breeders who don't have any WZ dogs they are using to provide puppies to the unwary.
To clarify, my point was that buying a non-albino (as in, a black or red pup) that is a WZ puppy is a poor choice, because it's supporting a less than ethical breeder. It's buying a puppy from albino lines. I suppose if the parents have been tested and they somehow do NOT carry the albino gene we could look at why they're being bred, but...in general, I don't see a puppy with a WZ registration number as one that I'd pursue. There could be an exception, I suppose. Just unlikely.
And, I agree, a rescue situation is a whole different ballgame.
I, too, am very happy there is an albino gene test. I, in fact, would love to see more breeders using it, simply to verify that the gene is not carried. The WZ list, as we all know, isn't perfect. But that's a digression...
Originally Posted by Stephen Carlson View Post
Thank you all for the replies. I purposely did not include any identifying info about the breeder as I wondered if I had stepped over the line in the requests.
About myself and why I'd like to get a Dobe. I grew up with Dobermans as a kid all the way into college, and in addition to thinking they're a beautiful breed, love the intelligence that comes with the breed. My wife and I have a 5 year old daughter, a 6 year old daschund, fish and a baby tortoise, with plans to get chickens at some point as well. We're in a single family home with a fenced yard (1/3rd acre), with the possibility of moving to a larger place. I'm located in North Central Florida, and looking for breeders for the area.
As far as the situation, yes, my wife jumped the gun before discussing it with me, and while I knew the breed was subject to some health issues (vWD and wobblers), I wasn't aware of the other issues until I did a bit of research. The list of testing I requested is based in large part off of the sticky at the top of this forum. What I really need help with sorting out is what health testing should I see for the parents, and what should I see for the puppy?
Thanks in advance!
I'm glad you've found the forum, Stephen!
I'm going to recommend, personally, that you stick to a breeder that can be a good mentor/friend for you and help you learn with your first Doberman. Ideally, it will be someone reasonably local. Sometimes you do have to wait a bit for a puppy from someone reputable. Good breeders don't always have a pup immediately available.
Alison McDonald has a litter in Florida - you might want to contact her to see if any are available (https://www.facebook.com/alison.n.mcdonald
What I look for in health testing:
Both parents should have had:
-an echocardiogram in the last year
-a 24 hour holter monitor exam in the last year
-I want to know the vWD status of both dogs to know whether puppies might be affected (and if they might be, I would want the puppy tested)
-I would like hips and elbows tested
-I want to know what their thyroid results are; are they normal, or normal only with medication?
-liver and kidney tests normal?
I also want information from the breeder on ancestors further up the pedigree. Are they still alive, and, if not, how old were they at death, and what did they die of?
What other health issues are common in the pedigree? Any issues with allergies? How about things like obsessive licking or other obsessive behaviors?
What are the temperaments like? Here is where I am also looking at the titles on the dogs. Have they earned any titles, and what does that tell me about their temperaments? Why did the breeder choose these two dogs to match together? What do they expect the puppies to be like?
It's about more than just health tests. You want a dog with a stable temperament, predictable, acting like a Doberman should.
There really aren't tests that a puppy gets. Here, you focus more on what the breeder DOES with their puppies. What socialization do they do? Do they use things like Puppy Culture? How are they making sure their puppies have good experiences with the world, and experience a wide variety of things? Breeders are KEY to making sure puppies are confident and ready to join a family.