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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 05-16-2020, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
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Hi, does anyone have any experience with this breeder? I’d like a Euro Dobe and considering getting one from this breeder:

https://www.vonschwarzdobermans.com/

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Someone with euro experience will be along soon to help you.
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Katy is a working line Doberman breeder in western PA. If you are looking to title a dog in working/protection sports, she would be a good choice. Not all of her dogs are my style of Doberman, but most of them have a good work ethic and her customers seem to like them and her.

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I agree with Kansa. I think they on rare occasion have showline litters but for the most part their primary focus is producing competitive sports (especially bitesport) dogs.


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I think she release pups around 8 weeks which is a bit young... seems like most people vouch on the positive side if you search the forums...a few negative ones claim some sketchiness but I can't follow the reasoning.

Also lines seem with longevity which is more rare... anyone wish to piggy back this comment

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Quite a few of her dogs seem to end up in the hands of people I consider BYBs, with unlimited registrations. At this time she's not someone I would recommend to get a puppy from.

I have no issues letting puppies go at 8 weeks to experienced Doberman people. The only reason I would personally keep them any longer is to make sure the ears are healed for new puppy buyers. I see no benefit to keeping a large breed puppy any longer. It usually just ends up with the littermates constantly fighting back and forth. I know lots of people do it, but I don't see that anything is gained from it from the puppies point of view, that's just my opinion.
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8 weeks is the minimum I'd like to see a puppy go home, but more and more I'm an advocate of 10-12 weeks for all breeds. There's several lessons that the puppies continue to learn from mom and siblings during that time, and you avoid sending a puppy home in the middle of their first rough fear period if you allow them to go through it in the same place they were raised. It does, however, put stress on the one raising the litter to continue socialization of however many puppies they've got (can you imagine the nightmare with 15 puppies staying with you until 12 weeks???) and this is why a lot of people prefer to have them go home sooner than that.

My boy came home at 13 weeks and was already housebroken, crate trained, and wasn't doing any puppy biting. Absolutely the easiest puppy I've ever had. At this point I prefer getting them a little older, having seen the benefits of waiting with my own eyes over and over again through the years. That is IF the breeder is committed to raising them with due diligence, which imo all good breeders should be.

I would not, however, say that a breeder allowing puppies to go home at 8 weeks is a bad breeder. Just that I personally prefer the result of puppies kept a little longer.

As for Katie, she had a bit of an interesting start and there's plenty of paper trail for that both on this forum and on her own FB page. She seems to have cleaned up quite a bit and is now health testing and titling her dogs rather than purchasing already-titled dogs to mass produce. I know more than a few people who never got their registration paperwork from her when she was doing the type of breeding she was doing before. I've also met a few of her more recently produced dogs and customers and they seem very happy with her as a breeder. That may be why there are dogs from her in the hands of those not doing their dogs any favors, and also dogs from her starting to mature and compete that seem vastly different.
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"I have no issues letting puppies go at 8 weeks to experienced Doberman people. The only reason I would personally keep them any longer is to make sure the ears are healed for new puppy buyers."

Yeah... I agree. I can tell you from personal experience that coming home with a 10 week old puppy is much easier (IMO) than coming home with an 8 week old.

For example: When I brought McCoy home at 10 weeks over 5 years ago he was ideally ready to pick up. As were his littermates.

I helped Michelle remove all of his stitches (That was cool) and his ears were completely healed in a week. In fact she was up the highway at a show the following week and did his first posting for me.

Also he came to our house very socialized and secure. He slept through the night, open crated, his first night home. No whimpering and able to hold his urine the entire night. He was current with his shots and so much more physically mature than an 8 week old. He potty trained very quickly, which was great. Same with leash training.

Raising young pups in posts, here in the Pacific NW during the winter, poses certain challenges. Not the least of which is dealing with the incessant rain. Having McCoy's ears 95% healed, made a world of difference. Also, he seemed much more inured to a normal kibble routine than some Dobe pups we have had in the past.

The bottom line is that being united with my boy at 10 weeks, straight from Foxfire to our house, was the easiest transition that I have ever had with Doberman pup.

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