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Hello all. I am a former Doberman owner to a red/rust male dob. He passed away last year at 5 years old from liver failure. I got him from a “reputable” breeder who claimed she did all the necessary testing. He had hypothyroidism as well as heightened liver enzymes detected at age 2. We tried to manage his liver enzymes through diet and other interventions, but eventually he passed away. He was a wonderful dog, so very intelligent, so gently, so beautiful. He very much enjoyed “working” and overseeing my and my four children’s safety. We are beginning our search for another breeder. I’m mainly hoping to find a breeder who does extensive testing and has dogs who have proven records of health. I’m willing to travel and also be patient for the right dog. We would actually love a male and female out of the same litter. Thank you all for your help. Losing him at 5 years was one of the most devastating things our family has gone through, just hoping to get more than that out of our next dog/dogs, for everyone’s sakes. Thank you!
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Irongate tends to have longevity, Sharjet tends to have longevity and Adamas tends to have longevity. Shelian tends to have longevity. They aren't the only ones but those are the ones that pop up in my head currently. Good luck.
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So Sorry to hear about your Dober !

You said that he had He had hypothyroidism as well as heightened liver enzymes detected at age 2. We tried to manage his liver enzymes through diet and other interventions

The Thyriodism can happen in this breed and as far as the Liver - I sure sounds like he had Copper Storage disease - the liver just can not process the copper in his diet - its very common in all dog foods or for them to add some kind of copper - like copper sulfate as copper is needed for all living beings , this is control threw there diet and medication . We had a girl that had It and when finally diagnosed - she lived for many years - yet to lose her to cancer .

As far as the Copper issue - after having Dobermans since the early 80's -we had never heard of it , yet have read on here that others have Dobermans with it , If I remember right Fitz has a gal with it . If managed right - it is pretty easy to control and Fitz's Dober is a well breed Dober .

We have had a Dober with Thyroid issues many ,many years ago and was also controlled with meds pretty easy . We have a 5 year old Male and have been having him tested every year for thyroid issues - which are sent off to a lab , a general vets office , for the most part don't have the lab work to test for it right .

I don't think your breeder is pulling your leg on her testing - both your problems just come with age . I guess my question to her would have been is there any history of either diseases in her breeding stock , My guess is there was not , IF she is a reputable breeder .

As far as littler mates - I for one would not do that - It makes it very hard to train 2 puppies at the same time + there are other reasons that escape me at this time = CRS -

I will agree with yeah - you will love having a pair ! Total Chaos sometimes ! Since we lost Ali girl - the place is so , so empty with out one chasing the other threw the house or out in the yard - lol Were working on that now

I'm sure that others with a lot higher pay grade than I will jump in with the great advice !

Best for luck !

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Sorry to hear about your problems, but these things can crop up even with health tested parents. There is no genetic test for either one, except for a certain type of hypothyroidism.

Good luck in your search.
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Yeah, definitely avoid getting littermates, or even two puppies that are close to the same age. Here's an article explaining...

https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-c...-syndrome.html

I usually like to have one dog get to be about 3 before I get a new puppy. It's a lot easier to deal with a puppy when your older dog is trained, and the puppy will even learn from the older dog (good and bad, unfortunately, but usually training is easier with the second one.) And if your dogs are close to the same age, it can be really hard to deal with their old age health problems both at the same time (and the combined expense of treating them) or even to lose them fairly close together.
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Hello all. I am a former Doberman owner to a red/rust male dob. He passed away last year at 5 years old from liver failure. I got him from a “reputable” breeder who claimed she did all the necessary testing. He had hypothyroidism as well as heightened liver enzymes detected at age 2. We tried to manage his liver enzymes through diet and other interventions, but eventually he passed away. He was a wonderful dog, so very intelligent, so gently, so beautiful. He very much enjoyed “working” and overseeing my and my four children’s safety. We are beginning our search for another breeder. I’m mainly hoping to find a breeder who does extensive testing and has dogs who have proven records of health. I’m willing to travel and also be patient for the right dog. We would actually love a male and female out of the same litter. Thank you all for your help. Losing him at 5 years was one of the most devastating things our family has gone through, just hoping to get more than that out of our next dog/dogs, for everyone’s sakes. Thank you!
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Welcome to the forum, Jillian. I'm so sorry for your loss. It sounds like you were a wonderful home for your boy, and that you did so much for him dealing with some really serious health issues.

Doing your research and being willing to be patient is the right thing to do! You definitely want to look at true health testing, and longevity in the lines. It's very easy for breeders to say they are doing things right, but you're right, it's easy for people to fool you, especially when you're new. I'm sorry you learned that the hard way.

I'd urge you to reconsider your desire for two puppies. First, any good, ethical breeder will not sell you two puppies, so anyone you find willing to do that is not going to be the type of breeder you want. Second, take a read through this thread to help you understand why it's a bad idea: https://www.dobermantalk.com/puppy-c...-syndrome.html.

Eventually, after you get one dog, you can add another in a few years. I personally like the age gap with my two dogs - it's about 4 years. I find that 3-4 years difference is ideal. Your first will be reasonably well trained, and then you also don't lose two elderly dogs close together.

I would take a look at Gretchen's suggestions for breeders. We can also help you with some more suggestions if you want to give us your general area of the country. It may take some time to find the right puppy, but it will pay off for you with a good dog, and a good breeder to support you.


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Another welcome from Colorado!

I agree with what everyone else is saying about getting two at the same time. Its not ideal and its a lot of work. Even though they are not dobermans, I have two dogs and I had specifically waited until my female was at least four before looking for another dog and it was probably one of the smartest moves I could make. Hence the reason that I waited until my male is four before getting a third, which will be a doberman. I've seen people with puppies close to the same age (months apart) and its a lot of work to train them both separately and together as well as training yourself to handle multiple dogs.

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Just a FYI--about two puppies--along with the problems of trying to civilize two puppies at the same time the biggest difficulty is the fact that two puppies from the same litter or very close to the same age will bond to each other instead of the humans--this isn't a problem if there is a reasonable age gap--and it make life easier all the way around.

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