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I’ve been looking for a puppy and keep getting quotes from breeders in the range of $3000 - $3500. The sire/dam just have the “Ch” title but nothing else. It seems extremely expensive, but I’m seeing the same pricing even in different states.

Is $3000-3500 unreasonable for a puppy?? Thanks!
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From what I've heard on here, that's pretty much the norm these days.


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I've never paid that for a puppy....yet. Always purchases of proven stock, titles at both ends and fully tested.
OP, don't let price determine your priority. Keep looking and checking pedigrees and photos. If you see a breeder
you like, look them up on Dobequest and check them out. I realize no shows at present, but when they start again
go ringside and develop an eye for what you like and people you like and could trust.

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That is normal for around here. I have heard of some breeders who charge $4-5000
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For the right pup from a breeder that I am comfortable with, I would not hesitate to pay $3000-$3500. Our last 3 boys were from a well respected breeder of Dobermans here in Oregon. They were each $2500. I have not discussed price recently and probably never will as what the breeder charges is what she charges. That being said, I would expect my next pup to cost at least $3000 and would not blink at $3500.

In the US, a Dobe puppy should go home with it's new human "cropped and docked" with the dew claws removed. The pup should be socialized to the extent it's age allows, as well as having had all appropriate neonatal care.

Titles and health testing of both parents should be legitimate and verifiable. You should have access to pedigrees.

Finally, IMO, you should be able to develop a decent relationship with the breeder, who will be able to provide you with information and support as the need arises.

Here is a very good article posted a couple of years by DT member Meadowcat. It is very much worth reading:

https://www.dobermantalk.com/breedin...e-breeder.html

Best to you in your puppy search!

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Edit to say: Read the entire thread, not just the first post. You could learn quite a bit!
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Hey, John, I would never search for dogs based on price or skimp if I found what I wanted in type, breeder, tests/ longevity and titles. Just wanted to put out that if you find what you want and the breeder passes all the tests, it is possible to find differing prices around the country. I never look at cost first. In my last search, I found a puppy for the $4K price and kennel was basically unknown and by
searching Dobequest, the longevity wasn't impressive, plus other things and I passed. I wouldn't have hesitated paying that if everything added up.
This person may find $4 -5K in a kennel selling pups that is totally BYB breeder quality and thing well that is the going price. But it is a huge difference. I just wanted to give a heads up in what he may run into.
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Seems to depend on the area of the country - the "coasts" seem to be more than the Midwest, for example.

As others have said, for me, price isn't the first concern. It's having the pedigree I want, with the health, longevity, and temperament I'm looking for.


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Thanks John. I was looking around Dobequest and the breeder’s dog seem to live an average of 8 years or so. Is that about standard? It seems that someone breeding for longevity would have pups living 10+ years. Is it a red flag to see a breeder’s dogs passing on at age 8?
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I know Eve Auch of Irongate Dobermans just had her 100th Dobe make the longevity requirement of 10 yrs or older.
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I agree with others. It depends on the area of the country. It can depend on the breeding. It can depend on the pup (some breeders will charge a bit more for show quality pups than their pets, not all, but some).

But you should be able to find a well bred pup from a good breeder of NA show lines for around $3,000, give or take.

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Thanks John. I was looking around Dobequest and the breeder’s dog seem to live an average of 8 years or so. Is that about standard? It seems that someone breeding for longevity would have pups living 10+ years. Is it a red flag to see a breeder’s dogs passing on at age 8?
There's going to be variation in lifespan across all dogs a breeder produces. Some dogs will live shorter, and some longer, lives than others. That's just going to happen, same as relatives in human families. However, I personally do like to see a general trend of long-lived dogs in a breeder's lines and in the pedigrees of my pups/dogs. (But what I think is "long-lived" might be different than what you do.)

This is no guarantee, of course. But its about trying to increase the likelihood that the dog you bring home will be long-lived.

For me, that means seeing a lot of longevity certified dogs on both sides of the pedigree (this is indicated by the LC-# following the registered name, where # equals the age of the dog once they've reached 10 or older). Longevity certified in Dobermans means the dog has lived to at least 10 years of age (average lifespan being ~9).

So, just my personal opinion, dogs living to 8 yrs old isn't a red flag BUT I, personally, do not consider a trend of dogs living to 8 years old to be very long lived. Eight years old isn't even making it to the average lifespan for the breed.

You need to decide for yourself if you consider 8 yrs old old enough to be long-lived. One could certainly argue that the DPCA doesn't consider 8 long-lived since they only certify dogs for longevity at 10+ yrs old. Ultimately though, its what you decide.
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Thanks John. I was looking around Dobequest and the breeder’s dog seem to live an average of 8 years or so. Is that about standard? It seems that someone breeding for longevity would have pups living 10+ years. Is it a red flag to see a breeder’s dogs passing on at age 8?
I agree with brw1982 that I personally look for longer lived dogs than that in a breeder's lines, and in a pedigree. Again, it's not a *guarantee* - mother nature can certainly be cruel - but I want trends of longer lived dogs.

When I started researching for my first well-bred puppy, I used the longevity listings on the DPCA page to start looking at breeders I might be interested in. Breeders that appeared often on the regular LC listings were a start for me. Breeders that had lots of LC11 and LC12 dogs were interesting. Then I started looking at breeders that had "bred for longevity" litters - if they were BFL-1 litters, parents had lived to 10 (obviously litters are certified long after they are grown). If they are BFL-2, parents and all grandparents lived to 10. It's not like you can buy a puppy that is BFL-2. HOWEVER, what it said to me is that breeders had repeated longevity, and were *striving* to produce it. It meant that it was likely a focus for them.

That's part of how I focused on my Richter's breeder (among many, many, many other reasons). Full disclosure, Mary is a member here. But...Richter's mother is over 12, and her whole litter had great longevity - 10, 11, + years old. He has an aunt alive on the other side of the pedigree at 12 +. He's turning 8 this summer. She has another litter with a couple of 11 years olds alive and well. Like Cressrb said, Irongate is another breeder with known longevity - I've talked to Eve a few times when she came out to judge our WAE at our club in the summer...last year she mentioned a 16 year old she had!

You can find the longevity program on the DPCA page here: The DPCA | Longevity Program

I think you can absolutely find breeders making it a priority to breed for longer lived dogs. Again, it's still no guarantee. Cancer pops up. DCM can still hit. But the more educated we are as buyers, the more we do our due diligence, the more we can try to focus on this as a priority. I don't think we have to settle for dogs that live shorter lives. Just my opinion.
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I was just putting a date of death for my 14 year old dog who I had euthanized last November and since I was in the Longevity pages anyway I took a look at Foxfire's record (Michelle Santana-Foxfire Dobermans). I've had several Foxfire Dobes and I thought that in general Foxfire seemed to have decent longevity. There are 88 longevity certified dogs that were bred by or co-bred by Foxfire. And in a very casual scan I know of several more who were or are over 10 that aren't listed.

I sure wish that people with longevity certified dogs would come back and add the date and cause of death.

Personally I think 8 years old isn't a selling point. Even my dogs over the years who either predate the Longevity list or didn't quite make it to 10 were all close to 10.

And if anyone really thinks the cardio issue is getting worse--when I got my first Dobe they were still putting up farewell ads in the Doberman magazines for dogs who died at 4, 5 and 6. Thank heavens we are paying more attention to longevity these days.

Ditto for improvements in tracking cardio and the improvement in treatment that gives us dogs who live longer because of that.

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