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Looking for a european doberman breeder

Hello so I'm here looking for help. I am in search of finding a breeder who breeds euros.

Little about me. First I have a german shepherd female. Shes very friendly, and not dominate in any way.
I have owned a euro doberman. After 1 year of having her I had to give her up. I recieved her at 4 months old from the breeder who was on his second breeding. After 1 week of having her she showed signs of aggression she was not friendly towards others. Wasnt long till she was lunging at people! If unable to get at them she bit me or my girlfriend. It was like she saw red and went blank. She was amazing with us and my gsd. She even was ok with other dogs. But people was a no go. Right away I tried many things to nip this in the butt and had no success I would bring her in public and ask people to meet her and give them treats to give her I did this a couple days a week. I saw trainers, and everything but nothing got better only worse. I believe she had serious fear issues and no confidence. Sucks I gave her back to the breeder after bonding with her. She had a dark face and was gorgeous. I put alot of my life into her and trying to help her be the best dog. That was over 2 years ago. I honestly think of her everyday. The breeder told me he found a good fit and shes doing ok.

Now I'm ready to find a new dobe and breeder. But I'm in no rush either has to be right fit. Temperament and confidence are two things I am looking for the most and a Male this time around. Need help on recommendations for breeders please.
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Welcome to DT from Utah. I'm sorry I cannot help you with a Euro breeder as I am not familiar enough with those lines. Someone else on this forum should be able to help you.
There used to be a Doberman breeder on DT from Cyprus that showed his dogs in conformation and was careful to health test. I loved the look of his dogs. He went by the user
name of 'Iceman', but I do not know his kennel prefix. Again, maybe someone else has that information.
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Welcome to DT. In your shoes I would be less concerned with "Euro" and more concerned with finding a breeder breeding dogs that are health tested, titled, and with great temperaments.
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Honestly, after hearing what you had to say, I think you'd be a better fit for an Ambred dog. And I don't say that often. What is it you're looking for that makes you think you want one over the other?
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Honestly, after hearing what you had to say, I think you'd be a better fit for an Ambred dog. And I don't say that often. What is it you're looking for that makes you think you want one over the other?
Well that makes little sense to me when I owned a people aggressive dog from the jump of her having her.

Americans are not for me in my experience around both. Americans dont have the look, very jumpy skittish and personality is different. I been around euros with awsome confidence, and personality.
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I doubt you've been around may well bred American show line dobermans. Have you ever been to a dog show?
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Well that makes little sense to me when I owned a people aggressive dog from the jump of her having her.

Americans are not for me in my experience around both. Americans dont have the look, very jumpy skittish and personality is different. I been around euros with awsome confidence, and personality.
Every AmBred Doberman I've spent significant time with has been very confident. The two "Euro" dogs I've spent time around were skittish. The AmBred dogs were well bred, the "Euro" dogs were not.

Instead of getting defensive, I think making a point to meet well bred examples of each would be enlightening for you.
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The only American dobermans that I've been around that were jumpy and skittish were badly bred ones from Backyard Breeders (or as I call them "greeders).

I agree with greenkouki, you should check out a dog show or talk to your local kennel club because all of the well bred American dobermans I've been around were not what you described
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Since you are a "looks" kind of guy may I suggest that you look at Raindance Dobermans. She has VERY nice heads and her puppies have a lot of confidence. I think you would like them.

Protea Kennels might be expecting a litter soon, 1/2 Euro 1/2 American. Beautiful heads as well (repeat breeding) so you may want to reach out to Helia. She has a Euro bitch with a WONDERFUL temperament.
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Hello so I'm here looking for help. I am in search of finding a breeder who breeds euros.

Little about me. First I have a german shepherd female. Shes very friendly, and not dominate in any way.
I have owned a euro doberman. After 1 year of having her I had to give her up. I recieved her at 4 months old from the breeder who was on his second breeding. After 1 week of having her she showed signs of aggression she was not friendly towards others. Wasnt long till she was lunging at people! If unable to get at them she bit me or my girlfriend. It was like she saw red and went blank. She was amazing with us and my gsd. She even was ok with other dogs. But people was a no go. Right away I tried many things to nip this in the butt and had no success I would bring her in public and ask people to meet her and give them treats to give her I did this a couple days a week. I saw trainers, and everything but nothing got better only worse. I believe she had serious fear issues and no confidence. Sucks I gave her back to the breeder after bonding with her. She had a dark face and was gorgeous. I put alot of my life into her and trying to help her be the best dog. That was over 2 years ago. I honestly think of her everyday. The breeder told me he found a good fit and shes doing ok.

Now I'm ready to find a new dobe and breeder. But I'm in no rush either has to be right fit. Temperament and confidence are two things I am looking for the most and a Male this time around. Need help on recommendations for breeders please.
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Well that makes little sense to me when I owned a people aggressive dog from the jump of her having her.

Americans are not for me in my experience around both. Americans dont have the look, very jumpy skittish and personality is different. I been around euros with awsome confidence, and personality.
I'm a little confused, since in your first post you said your "Euro" pup was aggressive and had a poor temperament.

If temperament and confidence are the most important (frankly, I'd also put health at the top of the list), I think what you need to prioritize is simply finding an ethical breeder, whether that be someone breeding European or American lines. The generalizations you make about American bred dogs are grossly mistaken, as much as we often like to generalize European bred dogs by assuming they will have certain temperaments. You can find many poorly bred European bred dogs here in the US, because they are "trendy."

If you are not in a rush, take the time to really evaluate breeders. Many of the people breeding European lines here in the US are not prioritizing temperament or health, and are simply following trends and making money off them, so you need to be extra careful if that's the type of dog you decide to look for. Make certain you are looking at reputable, ethical breeders. You may want to start with the United Doberman Club as a resource. Most good Euro breeders are working line breeders and are competing with their dogs in sport.

If you decide to consider American bred dogs, you can, in fact, find good bone and substance, and good temperaments as well.

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No that's a good idea I would love to! How would I go about finding one near me?
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Since you are a "looks" kind of guy may I suggest that you look at Raindance Dobermans. She has VERY nice heads and her puppies have a lot of confidence. I think you would like them.

Protea Kennels might be expecting a litter soon, 1/2 Euro 1/2 American. Beautiful heads as well (repeat breeding) so you may want to reach out to Helia. She has a Euro bitch with a WONDERFUL temperament.
Thank you for your suggestion! I'll look into them.
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Hello so I'm here looking for help. I am in search of finding a breeder who breeds euros.

Little about me. First I have a german shepherd female. Shes very friendly, and not dominate in any way.
I have owned a euro doberman. After 1 year of having her I had to give her up. I recieved her at
4 months old from the breeder who was on his second breeding. After 1 week of having her she showed signs of aggression she was not friendly towards others. Wasnt long till she was lunging at people! If unable to get at them she bit me or my girlfriend. It was like she saw red and went blank. She was amazing with us and my gsd. She even was ok with other dogs. But people was a no go. Right away I tried many things to nip this in the butt and had no success I would bring her in public and ask people to meet her and give them treats to give her I did this a couple days a week. I saw trainers, and everything but nothing got better only worse. I believe she had serious fear issues and no confidence. Sucks I gave her back to the breeder after bonding with her. She had a dark face and was gorgeous. I put alot of my life into her and trying to help her be the best dog. That was over 2 years ago. I honestly think of her everyday. The breeder told me he found a good fit and shes doing ok.

Now I'm ready to find a new dobe and breeder. But I'm in no rush either has to be right fit. Temperament and confidence are two things I am looking for the most and a Male this time around. Need help on recommendations for breeders please.
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Well that makes little sense to me when I owned a people aggressive dog from the jump of her having her.

Americans are not for me in my experience around both. Americans dont have the look, very jumpy skittish and personality is different. I been around euros with awsome confidence, and personality.
I'm a little confused, since in your first post you said your "Euro" pup was aggressive and had a poor temperament.

If temperament and confidence are the most important (frankly, I'd also put health at the top of the list), I think what you need to prioritize is simply finding an ethical breeder, whether that be someone breeding European or American lines. The generalizations you make about American bred dogs are grossly mistaken, as much as we often like to generalize European bred dogs by assuming they will have certain temperaments. You can find many poorly bred European bred dogs here in the US, because they are "trendy."

If you are not in a rush, take the time to really evaluate breeders. Many of the people breeding European lines here in the US are not prioritizing temperament or health, and are simply following trends and making money off them, so you need to be extra careful if that's the type of dog you decide to look for. Make certain you are looking at reputable, ethical breeders. You may want to start with the United Doberman Club as a resource. Most good Euro breeders are working line breeders and are competing with their dogs in sport.

If you decide to consider American bred dogs, you can, in fact, find good bone and substance, and good temperaments as well.

Good luck in your search.
Appreciate the feed back! I have just been suggested by a breeder I called who is not breeding right now to check out the Udc and so I am doing my research with some of those breeders.
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Where are you?

The akc search tool Rosemary posted is very good.
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Just a little something to think about before you decide on a specific trait that you are presently certain you want... You have to be able to live with the dog. Think long and hard about those few words. Does his/her temperament work for your lifestyle? Does his/her energy level work for you? Just throwing this out there.
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