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Working line pup wanted

Hello everyone,

My name is Ken, I live in Calgary AB Canada, and I've just begun my search for a new puppy.

I got my first Doberman back in 2002, a beautiful Black and Tan female from Dio/Moonspier in Canmore AB. She was a fantastic dog who absolutely lived up to my hopes for the breed that I had admired my whole life. Theadra, was also my first pure bred dog and my breeder introduced me to the wonderful world of dog sport. With the help of my breeder and a trainer I got my girl titled in obedience (CD, CDX) and had a best friend for 11 years.

It's time now for me to fill the void in my life that can only be filled by a dog and I can think of no other breed I would rather share my home with. I still love the Black and Tan but this time around I'm looking for a male. I really enjoyed the obedience trials and will certainly participate again, also I intend to compete in sport detection and Shutzhund so I really need a very healthy boy with good "drive".

I started my search at the Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada and their list of recommended breeders and have also reached out to my local Shutzhund club and my obedience trainer for recommendations which has now brought me to this forum.

I have contacted a few breeders here in Alberta and in B.C. But they all seem to be breeding for show and of course family pets. I guess I'm here now asking for recommendations for breeders who are producing "working" dogs. As I have had the bred before I'm fully aware that pretty much any Doberman can do pretty much anything but I know there is a significant difference between show dogs and ones from a working blood line.

I'm really not comfortable with the idea of getting a dog shipped in even if armed with a ton of recommendations so I'm looking for a breeder within about 1000km from Calgary, so I can travel to meet them and actually see their dogs in person.

While I would love to bring home a new puppy this spring I am in no rush and will wait until the right dog for me is available

Any help would be greatly appreciated

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I purchased my girl from von Moeller Hof Dobermans. She produces nice working dogs at a reasonable price. Parents are health tested. She does not have litters all the time, but she may be able to help you find a good pup. Good Luck
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I would recommend you get in touch with the United Doberman Club - they focus on the working Dobermans. While some showlines can and do succeed in working sport, it's more rare.

You can find the UDC website here: https://uniteddobermanclub.com/

And their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/uniteddobermanclub/

Personally, if I were looking at a working line pup, the first person I'd contact is Julie Stade of BJF Dobermans. She has been breeding long-lived working line dogs for a long time. I like her dogs a lot, and I also like what she has to say about breeding.

https://bjfworkingdogs.com/
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If you have the ability to go, I just saw the UDC Nationals are in May in Ohio - that would be a GREAT way to see all the working Dobermans!

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I did check out the UDC web site and noticed a couple breeders within an acceptable range. I will check out their web sites and contact them.

I did find 2 breeders here in Canada, producing working dogs. Limbazi Dobermans in Alberta might have a litter planed for August.
Also Vorallem Dobermans in SK but they don't dock and crop. I do want my dog to be docked and cropped.
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Contact the Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada, we now have a working doberman committee. The All Breed FCI National is being hosted by my IPO club this year, I don't know if she plans on attending but I know there is one woman in Calgary that has an IGP2 level male. I believe she imported him. But the DPCC might be able to get you in touch with her she might have some suggestions to offer for your neck of the woods - I'm way out in Montreal.
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Thank you for that
I did check out the UDC web site and noticed a couple breeders within an acceptable range. I will check out their web sites and contact them.

I did find 2 breeders here in Canada, producing working dogs. Limbazi Dobermans in Alberta might have a litter planed for August.
Also Vorallem Dobermans in SK but they don't dock and crop. I do want my dog to be docked and cropped.
My understanding is that fewer working line breeders are cropping now (and some not docking) because the dogs can't compete internationally. I could be wrong on that...this is not my area of expertise at all, but that may be why you're seeing that.


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Thank you for that
I did check out the UDC web site and noticed a couple breeders within an acceptable range. I will check out their web sites and contact them.

I did find 2 breeders here in Canada, producing working dogs. Limbazi Dobermans in Alberta might have a litter planed for August.
Also Vorallem Dobermans in SK but they don't dock and crop. I do want my dog to be docked and cropped.
Di Limbazi does not breed working lines as far as I am aware. Her dogs are from East European show lines, not working lines. I believe she is training with one of her males in IGP however.

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My understanding is that fewer working line breeders are cropping now (and some not docking) because the dogs can't compete internationally. I could be wrong on that...this is not my area of expertise at all, but that may be why you're seeing that.
This is correct, basically as things currently stand an uncropped/undocked doberman can't participate in the International Dobermann Club Word Championships at all, and can only participate in FCI all-breed championships at the worlds if they are hosted in a country that allows it.


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Di Limbazi does not breed working lines as far as I am aware. Her dogs are from East European show lines, not working lines. I believe she is training with one of her males in IGP however.



This is correct, basically as things currently stand an uncropped/undocked doberman can't participate in the International Dobermann Club Word Championships at all, and can only participate in FCI all-breed championships at the worlds if they are hosted in a country that allows it.
That's good to know thank you.
While she didn't actually come out and say it she did imply that she had working dogs when I msg her.
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That's good to know thank you.
While she didn't actually come out and say it she did imply that she had working dogs when I msg her.
If she is working her dogs and titling them, it's not misrepresentation to say her dogs are working dogs. However not all working dogs are from working lines. Hers are showline dogs who work. There differences in temperament and style, and of course in level of drive and so on.

For example my girl is from show/performance lines but she is a working dog - as a service dog and training in IGP and has her BH, a few basic ob and socialisation tests, and a few breed appropriate temperament test including one that has a bitework component.
She is a show line dog who works.

It really depends on what you want. If you want a nice drivey dog who can work then her dogs might be suitable for you! If you want a hardcore working dog, then I would advice looking elsewhere.
If you just want a drivey dog with a lot of "go" that you can do multiple things with but not necessarily be championship-level competitive with there are a lot of options you could look at.

I do not know how closely she pays attention to longevity in pedigree though given the dogs she has and the fact she reached out to a friend of mine to use her import male who... has a high risk pedigree (and also is very much a steady eddy, but drivey he is not lol)
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