Thank you so much for your input. This is the litter from ConnQuest we are researching:
The mother is:'Khaleesi' Am/CanCh ConnQuest Daenerys V Kelview
The father is: Briley' AmCh Aquarius The Legend Continues Alcher
I am a novice at reading pedigrees but ancestors on father's side seem living relatively long. Can't find the mother in the database, but she is ConnQuest's own dog and has some health tests done.
Khaleesi Dobequestog Pedigree Page
She doesn't seem to be related to the problem dog I was speaking of in terms of picky eaters.
She is the dam of the female I mentioned who produced some problematic temperaments but I wouldn't say that's necessarily indicative, as far as I know I haven't heard anything bad from the pups Khaleesi herself produced.
And it is to be taken with a grain of salt that the person who produced the problematic pups is the sort of person who believes temperament is not genetic, and has straight up told me that performance and sport titles are meaningless cause it's all the owner's doing. Which means maybe when she chose a stud she did not consider the combination of the two parents temperaments.
For longevity I would ask about Khaleesi's mother, Dani. It says she was born in 2008 but the ConnQuest website doesn't say if she's still alive and they haven't applied for her Longevity Certification so it is unknown if she is still with us or not. If she is that would be a very nice age. Her sire (Khaleesi's paternal grandsire) died of DCM at 7 and a half. Her mother has no longevity info on dobquest, no date of death, so I would ask about the COD (unless somehow she's still alive at 15!)
On her sire's side same thing. He's coming 9 this year I'd ask about him. His mother (Khaleesi's paternal grandma) has no info listed in dobequest. His sire (Khaleesi's paternal grandpa) died of a suspected brain aneurysm at age 8.
Briley: Aquarius The Legend Continues
Is he a finished Champion yet? He is a gorgeous dog and was the reserve winners dog at the DPCA nationals, but I can't find it anywhere that he actually is a finished Am Ch, aside from what is said on CQ's website.
Another thing I find concerning... he is not even 2 years old yet! His date of birth is April 13th 2018, and if the puppies were born December 30th that means he was bred in October. Meaning he was barely 18 months... He likely didn't have any health testing done at the time. He's too young for OFA hips (PennHIP might be a possibility) and he has one echo listed from January of this year, and it is not even an echo done by a cardiologist but rather a GP. I would definitely ask to see copies of his health test results, or ask if the owners can provide them.
Briley is also tightly linebred on South American lines and specifically on the Nello's Lex Luthor sireline.
In the first 4 generations alone (i.e. the dobequest pedigree)
Nello's Lex Luthor appears x2
his son, Inaqui de Black Shadow appears x3 (which means if you put it up to 5 generations, Lex would appear 5 times!),
including twice through Trotyl de Black Shadow.
I love South American dogs, personally but that's because I like my dobes spicy. These can be sharp, serious, drivey temperaments, they are not for everyone and not for the faint of heart. Much could be said about Lex Luthor in particular. H was said to have been extremely intelligent but reportedly 'aggressive', described by some as 'inappropriately aggressive', with a few reporting the same about some of his get and grandget. How much of that was genetics vs environment... begs the question. As well, how much of that so-called aggression was truly inappropriate, or even real aggression, vs something else is also up for debate. I have come to realize not everyone in this breed always is aware of what they're looking at when a dog exhibits a breed appropriate behaviour or knows how to interpret certain things.
Lex's cause of death is also a little mysterious. The owner did not report it for several years because a rule in the Argentina KC states you can only use Frozen semen if the dog is still alive. He reportedly had liver/kidney issues and these issues are known to pop up in his descendants. His 'official' cause of death was switched from liver/kidney to a supposed respiratory infection, at age 8.
(Inb4 anyone gets on my case and rushes to defend Lex, my bitch is also linebred on him including twice through Inaqui and I love her to bits, so this isn't me bashing).
Inaqui who appears three times on Briley's side died of Bloat. Trotyl who appears twice died of Cancer. Trotyl has sired an IPO and ZTP titled dog, something to consider regarding temperament. Probably energetic, drivey... and probably spicy.
Foxfire's All That Jazz (female) also appears x2 in the first 4 generations.
Cambria's Highly regarded appears x2 in the first 4 generations, if you extend to 5 that's x3 (twice through All that Jazz).
That being said in the first 5 generations Briley and Khaleesi appear unrelated. If you extend to 10 generations you do find Lex Luthor on the dam's side again so that 6 times in total in the first 10 generation of this litter's pedigree. There are some other repetitions but I'm going cross eyed.
I understand better why you were asking about Linbreeding. Is it a good thing? Depends on who you ask. The reasoning behind linebreeding is to fix certain attributes in a line, or indeed a entire breed, or to amplify them. However, always remember with linebreeding you can be multiplying on both the good and bad aspects of each dog. Genetics are a bit of a lottery, and you don't necessarily evenly get the the same amount of good or bad. Sometimes you can be multiplying more bad than good. If you're lucky, more good than bad. That being said a dog that is tightly linebred can be useful for breeding in the context of an outrcross, or attempting to inject a particular element in a different bloodline. In that sense, it seems to me they used Briley in what I personally would consider a good manner by pairing him to a bitch that wasn't closely related to him.
Depending on what you want in a Dobe, I would be asking Theresa and Greg what Khaleesi's temperament is like, what they were expecting in the litter, what they are seeing and what their reasoning was for this mating, or using such a young male. I suspect they went for Briley in part because of the strong Trotyl/Inaqui/Lex influence because Khaleesi produced some stunners in her litter with Ashtrick's Triple Threat who is a son of Trotyl, and so they might have figured that sireline to be a good nick.
I'm of course barely scratching the surface here, but hopefully have given you something to chew on to ask more questions to the breeder and guide you towards an informed decision. It really depends on what you want and what you intend to do with your doberman. You also have an advantage in that the puppies are already on the ground, so you can ask about what they are currently exhibiting in temperament.
I would say if you want a show dog? This could be a really nice litter with a good chance of producing some stellar confo dogs. You want a performance/sport dog? Could be a lot to handle, but could also be very fun to handle if you enjoy working with your dog. Want to dip your toes into working sports but aren't sure you want to commit to a working litter? Might have enough fire in there to do so.
Just want a nice pet? Miiight be more trouble than its worth. Everything is relative.
And now, somehow instead of preparing my SO's Valentine's Day gift I have spent my time doing pedigree analysis... I think I'm inoperable