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Is this a reasonable cost?

Hi everyone,

I have connected with a breeder whom I respect, who health tests her Dobermans thoroughly, who is well-regarded for breeding dogs with excellent temperament and longevity. This breeder anticipates a litter born this spring. After exchanging e-mails for several months, I asked her about the cost of the puppy. She said that it would be "around $3,000 - hopefully not more."

Is this a reasonable price for a well-bred Doberman puppy? I am not looking for a bargain by any means, but it seems somewhat high to me.

I'd appreciate any responses. Thank you.
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From what others here have said, $2500 to $3000 is pretty much the norm.
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Hi Resipsa

Assuming that I was dealing with a breeder that I was comfortable with and their health testing, titling and pedigrees met my scrutiny, I would have no problem paying $3000. I am also assuming that the pups will be cropped and docked and that they will have all the necessary neonatal care to insure that they will be healthy and well adjusted when released to their forever home.

Our last 3 boys came from the same.well respected Pacific NW breeder. My youngest, who is 5 1/2 yo, was $2500. Honestly, I was surprised that the breeder could even break even at that price. I plan on paying around $3000 for my next pup in the not to distant future.

But in all honesty, the purchase price means very little to me when compared to the overall costs of owning a happy, healthy and well trained Dobe over its lifetime. I consider it $$$ well spent if it gets me the pup I want.

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The initial cost of the puppy pales in comparison to medical bills down the road. Vet care is not cheap and there are many issues that can be chronic so that expense is ongoing. Just routine yearly testing can be pricey.
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Thats about right ....sometimes a little less in Florida ....so $2500 to $3000 ....that should include ear cropped ears.
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$3000-4000 here for a well bred doberman.
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All of the well bred puppies who would be cropped and docked, dew claws removed and who have had appropriate socialization for the age you'd usually expect to get such a puppy (around 10 or 11 months) AND if the breeder was not local I'd expect that the breed would have located a person in my location to help me with ear posting.

$2,500 to $3,000 appears to be the average charge for such a puppy these days.

And as others have already said--considering the kinds of things that can and sometimes do go wrong with adults for a variety of reasons and the cost of vet care the initial cost may only be a drop in the bucket when it comes to actual expense.

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For what it's worth, ears will not be cropped.
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Curious why? Almost all reputable breeders will have the ears cropped...
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Resipa, a well bred Doberman from a reputable breeder at the cost of $2500 - 3,000 really is a good price. You should expect a puppy at that cost from this breeder, cropped ears, docked, dew claws and
all testing done on both dam and sire. Ask to see the papers. Heart testing that includes Echo and Holter results. Thyroid testing on both. OFA hips and elbows on both. Yearly CERF (eyes). And
both or at minimum one Champion. I look for titles on both dam and sire and prefer a title at both ends - conformation (Champion) and working and even better a ROM title. Sometime there are
circumstances that prevent one of finishing a title, but one at least should have been shown in conformation. When you total all that up - saving you the cost of health problems or finding your own
cropper - it really is a savings and a deal. Someone recently posted finding a good cropper for her new puppy which she purchased uncropped and I believe the cheapest price she found was $795. ?
A lot of good advise on this forum from people that want to help you and point you in the right direction. Good luck.
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For what it's worth, ears will not be cropped.
Just my opinion but that for me is a big red flag. Reputable breeders crop/dock their puppies unless there is a legit reason not to. Sometimes if the breeder knows you they will let a puppy go uncropped.
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The average going rate these days is $2500-4000 so $3000 seems about right.

I would be worried about the breeder not cropping the puppies for the buyers. That's not something a reputable breeder does.
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Although rare, there are reputable Doberman breeders who do not crop ears. In this case, the breeder has an impeccable reputation. I believe that there are a couple of moderators who are familiar with this breeder. She has bred Dobermans who finished their AKC championships with natural ears, which is very difficult to do.

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Unfortunately, Dobermans are a pricey breed. I'd say its reasonable to expect to spend ~$3,000 on a puppy, give or take, depending on a few variables.



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We all have differing opinions on whom we consider reputable. I'll leave it at that. I personally would never recommend that breeder but that's just me.
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Gretchen_Red, why wouldn't you recommend that breeder? Is it because she doesn't crop ears or is there another reason? Feel free to PM me if you prefer.

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We all have differing opinions on whom we consider reputable. I'll leave it at that. I personally would never recommend that breeder but that's just me.
It would seem reasonable to mention names just to be sure that you're both talking about the same breeder.

And if you're talking about the one I think (and I'm thinking you must be talking about Kathy Davieds), I'd certainly be interested to know why you would never recommend.
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We all have differing opinions on whom we consider reputable. I'll leave it at that. I personally would never recommend that breeder but that's just me.
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It would seem reasonable to mention names just to be sure that you're both talking about the same breeder.

And if you're talking about the one I think (and I'm thinking you must be talking about Kathy Davieds), I'd certainly be interested to know why you would never recommend.
I agree with Mary - I don't think it's fair to throw around statements about breeders like that. If you have something to say, then say it publicly. Don't engage in the secrecy and drama the Doberman world has such a reputation for.

Personally, I've known Kathy for a lot of years now, and I would not hesitate to buy a puppy from her.

Edited to add - that cost seems to be the going rate on the East Coast.


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To address the original question, from a buyers perspective this price seems on par with what reputable breeders are asking.

As far as where the discussion has ended up, I am with MeadowCat and MaryAndDobes with regard to the breeder being discussed. I believe Jesaran has for some time offered to leave ears natural if requested, has finished multiple natural eared dogs, performs extensive health testing, and produces dogs with wonderful temperaments. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of her puppies either.
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All of the well bred puppies who would be cropped and docked, dew claws removed and who have had appropriate socialization for the age you'd usually expect to get such a puppy (around 10 or 11 months) AND if the breeder was not local I'd expect that the breed would have located a person in my location to help me with ear posting.

$2,500 to $3,000 appears to be the average charge for such a puppy these days.

And as others have already said--considering the kinds of things that can and sometimes do go wrong with adults for a variety of reasons and the cost of vet care the initial cost may only be a drop in the bucket when it comes to actual expense.

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For anyone who didn't figure out that I can't properly edit my posts--age should have been 10 or 11 WEEKS not months...big duh!

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There have been very few natural eared champions in the AKC ring and Kathy Davied DVM (Jeseran) has produced more of them than anyone else. She will leave a puppy uncropped but you have to discuss it with her.

And I know a few other breeders who have left a puppy uncropped when the owner to be wanted to have their own chosen cropped do the crops.

There are always exceptions. To saying that ALL breeders who will leave a puppy uncropped isn't a great idea--there are some reason for doing so. I judge that particular issue on a case by case basis.

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My understanding (from direct discussions with Kathy) is that she leaves ALL of her puppies uncropped, but does not object to a new owner getting a new puppy's ears cropped. In other words, she is not a rebel advocating against all ear cropping.

Speaking for myself, I actually prefer the look of a Doberman with a nice crop. I live within 150 miles of a veterinarian who does excellent crops. The aftercare is what concerns me. I have never posted ears before, and I know that I could not do it without a lot of ongoing, expert help. Making a weekly, 300-mile round-trip for ear-posting would be prohibitively difficult, considering that post may continue for many months. I'm adding this info because I am not opposed to ear cropping, but do not believe that I am up to the challenge.

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Hannah ! Your selling yourself short ! You can do it - Here's the key - Have somebody show you hw to do it ! And have them have you do it and talk you threw it . Once you have done it - it will get easier and easier each time . My success at posting when Kadin's breed showed me and had me make the posts . Then is was a piece of cake . Kadin was a hand full - and that's saying it mildly ! lol Yet I posted his ears by myself and he did great .

I understand - it does take time to do - sometimes Ali and Kadin would be mixing it up and he would lose one few days after I posted them - but that goes with the territory . you know : ))

300 miles is a lot to driving - that is for sure .

What every you deicide - best of luck !
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This may be the one exception to the "if they don't crop they're a crap breeder" rule... This breeder has a good reputation and is doing pretty much everything by the books regarding health testing and titling. Even still I strongly disagree with the breeder not cropping the puppies before they go to new homes, but it's up to you whether you want to support her by buying a puppy. Perhaps that's what GR is opposed to as well?

The honest truth is I would never pay that much from an uncropped puppy and if I were in your shoes, given that you also want a cropped puppy, I would consider going another direction. It shouldn't be your responsibility to have the ears cropped and there is too much that can go wrong if you are handling it as a first time owner dealing with cropped ears. This IS a cropped and docked breed whether the breeder has objections to that or not.
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This may be the one exception to the "if they don't crop they're a crap breeder" rule... This breeder has a good reputation and is doing pretty much everything by the books regarding health testing and titling. Even still I strongly disagree with the breeder not cropping the puppies before they go to new homes, but it's up to you whether you want to support her by buying a puppy. Perhaps that's what GR is opposed to as well?

The honest truth is I would never pay that much from an uncropped puppy and if I were in your shoes, given that you also want a cropped puppy, I would consider going another direction. It shouldn't be your responsibility to have the ears cropped and there is too much that can go wrong if you are handling it as a first time owner dealing with cropped ears. This IS a cropped and docked breed whether the breeder has objections to that or not.
She doesn't want a cropped puppy. She wants an uncropped puppy.


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